AHT: NN Is DJT part of the Illuminati Elite?

June 10, 2020 1:45pm: So is Donald Trump a member of the Illuminati elite in the eyes of conspiracy theorists?

The Illuminati conspiracy theory claims it is a secret society that actually runs all global governments from behind the scenes and is slowly implementing a so-called New World order (NWO), that will culminate in a global leadership.

The theory varies in extremities from the above at the least, to the Illuminati being a highly Satanic cult that intends returning the devil to earth.

Before the Presidency
Donald Trump was always basking in the glory of any kind of fame he could come across. Despite having a pretty substantial starting fund from his father, Donald has done a pretty good job of fooling the public into thinking he built his fortune for himself. A shocking number of people have no idea that the Donald actually started his lucrative career with almost a half a billion dollars. As anyone in the biz knows, it takes money to make money, and it’s really hard to make a fortune like Donald has without a pretty good amount to start on. Donald had the money to take some risks and weather them. Most folks starting out don’t have such luxuries.

Before Donald Trump’s extremely improbably presidential bid, he was a reality television star. The Apprentice worked, however, on his reputation. The idea was that he was to The Apprentice what someone like Keith Urban should be to American Idol. He was an authority on business, and that made his show successful. It took a mogul to make that model work, and Trump did. He is still riding that success today.

So, on our Illuminati checklist, let’s ask ourselves the magic question. Did Donald Trump have the kind of reach in the world to entertain an Illuminati invitation? Well, the answer to this one is 100% yes.

The Message
Why would the Illuminati be interested in Donald Trump? First of all, money. The Illuminati likes money and likes the power that it brings. Trump would not be the first time that the Illuminati backed someone just because of financial resources. Secondly, Trump has reached a lot of people, and never more than what he has done after his triumphant presidential win over Hillary Clinton. Trump’s Twitter account is legendary, even if the company Twitter rues the day it let him have one. He has huge influence and huge outreach. However, the Illuminati is more of a stickler for getting people before they accomplish such things. Donald Trump is very, very attractive to the Illuminati in his current position, but did he really strike them as having that kind of influence before?

https://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2018/10/is-donald-trump-illuminati/

Commenter 2: No he is not part of the illuminati. More Fake news and lies from the left. The liberals will do and say anything to turn people away from Trump. Just open your eyes to all they have done to him and others around him. Russia, Impeachment, Flynn, Covid19 dont think it was random either and who knows what else they have planned. If you cant see through the smoke screen yet then I feel sorry for you.

Commenter 3 @Commenter2: Q and the media have brainwashed people to believe in this duality. They are on the same page. It’s all a big show.

Commenter 2 @Commenter3: you’re wrong but I’m not going to argue with you.

Commenter 4: I’ve followed Q since the beginning. And although I’m hopeful, I trust no one 100%. There is that tiny niggling at the back of my mind that what you say might be true.
I however mostly believe that we’ve been given an opportunity…a small window if you will, before we will be given over to the NWO/Illuminati Globalists, because we didn’t care to resist them. Then we’ll deserve everything coming our way.

Commenter 3 @Commenter4: oh boy. I know how you you feel. All I know is that it really is us against the 1%. I’m not exactly sure what to do. But believing in false hopes is not any better. We have to unite. Sigh

me @Commenter4: I know of one person who is actively resisting and fighting against them. They are trying to discredit, ridicule, and shame him in any way possible.

Was Obama or Clinton ever treated this way? Nope!

His initials are DJT.

Trump 2020!

Commenter 4: You are right, and for the most part I do believe he is fighting the good fight. There are things I don’t understand because I know I don’t have all the information and it’s because of that I can’t trust 100%. But it’s a tiny % of “don’t know”.
I pray for President Trump daily and it’s true, no one has ever been treated this way and it’s got to say something! It’s quite appalling what Dems & media are doing.

Commenter 5: Trump is in the club just as much as the rest are ….they didn’t make to where they are …they were chosen
Trump is the lesser of the evil but I’m sure hes a deceiver..his time will come … all smoke in mirrors for the NWO roll oot

Commenter 6: Trump isn’t in with the elite and illuminati.

me @Commenter6: I agree with you. Trump certainly isn’t in the elite that wants mandated vaccinations, health record tracking implants, restrictions to travel/event without proven vaccination, a cashless society, reduced population, using kids for rape, torture and food, contact tracing, etc.

Trump is in an elite class: disciplined, successful, hardworking, an author, tv show attraction, a fighter. I could say more but then that would just result in people arguing with me.

If more people saw his good qualities for what they are, then they may even inspire to more like him.

Commenter 7: If he were part of it, they wouldn’t have tried to kill him 6 times already. They wouldn’t hate him, they would just normal level oppose him like they’ve done with every past Republican president. The Bush’s are free masons, I’m not sure about Reagan, but I don’t think so, but Carter, Clintons, and Oblather definitely were.

Commenter 8 @Commenter7: and another reason they hate him is that he knows how they operate which make them even more scared. God is in control🙏🏻.

Commenter 9:
– Trump admitting sexual assault.
– Trump charity fraud.
– Trump calls for nuclear proliferation.
– Trump calls for national stop and frisk.
– Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba.
– Trump sued over Trump U fraud..
– Trump bribes DA..
– Trump doesnt pay taxes for 20 years.
– Trump employs campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia.
– Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US.
– Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate.
– Trump in court for rape of a minor..
– Trump unaware of Russia’s Crimea occupation..
– Trump unaware of situation in Syria.
– Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination.
– Trump files for bankrupcy 6 times.
– Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics.
– Trump slams people for being POWs..
– Trump calls Mexicans rapists..
– Trump questions judge’s integrity because of parent’s heritage.
– Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal.
– Trump commits insurance fraud after florida hurricane.
– Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse.
– Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight.
– Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am.
– Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo.
– Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used.
– Trump asks why cant we use our nukes if we have them.
– Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger.
– Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists.
– Trump says women should be punished for having abortions.
– Trump makes fun of disabled people.
– Trump calls for end of freedom of the press.
– Trump calls global warming a chinese hoax.
– Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un’s strong leadership.
– Trump openly admits to not paying his employees during debate.
– Trump calls Obama an illegitimate noncitizen hundreds of times over 7 years.
– Trump uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses..
– Trump says Ted Cruz’s father involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer.
– Trump says laziness is an inherent trait in black people.

I don’t get trump supporters

Commenter 10 @Commenter9: I used to think so 3 months ago as well but Covid nonsense pushed me down the rabbit hole. I hated him. Disgusted by him in every way. But I started to question the media. They flat out lied about everything Covid. I started to wonder. If they lied so much and so against whatever he did or said, something is worth investigation.

He was called a Xenophobic when he banned all the flights from and to China at the end of January, only allowing US residents back in.

I agreed with him on letting the states decide what’s best for their states on dealing with Covid. He also got more than enough ventilators for NY where the governor was asking for ridiculous numbers of them which later found, we didn’t need. He got the make-shift hospital beds arranged in a very short time and sent in the Navy Comfort Ship to NYC right away.

I admired his boldness about the HCQ as I was also listening to many doctors coming out to say they had high success rate with their patients and when the media tried to say the 70+ years old drug was dangerous, he came out saying that he had been taking it! So bold!!

I also liked that he was looking at other alternative treatments and not just parroting “Vaccines!! Vaccines!!” like others.

I totally agreed with him with defunding the corrupted WHO. I started to agree with him about China and bringing manufacturers back to the US.

I started to see why we needed the Walls when I watched an interview with the Operation Underground Railroad who has been rescuing children from child sex trafficking.

I have just finish the documentary “America : Freedom to Fascism” and it just got to me what MAGA means! He was talking about demolishing Federal Reserves and Federal Income Tax and that’s what it is! MAGA! Make America Great Again like how we were before the Feds and Income Tax that were established illegally in 1913.

Also, 3 big name/high profile sexual predators were arrested during his watch! Epstein, Weiner, and Weinstein!

I’m still going down the rabbit hole but from hating him 3 months ago, I kind of like the guy now.

Commenter 101: Also he is a rapist and pedo, this is only one of his ongoing trials:

https://www.scribd.com/document/352755967/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits

Commenter 102 @Commenter 101: Look closer. The charges against Trump were filed in CA, then dropped and then NY and dropped before he ever had a day in court to address the charges. All smoke and mirrors.

Commenter 101: look a the time frame mate

Commenter 102 @Commenter 101: I did, It does not change the fact they were charged and dismissed within a few months. They wanted to link him to Epstein.

Commenter 103 @Commenter102: The Trolls are not even American and they are bashing us for being truthful and honest so an arguments with low frequency emotional people is really empowering them.

Americans who are awake know what is going on here and they are getting the information based on the experience of living here but others are getting Fake news. News that incites fear and violence is fake. News that offers good solutions to problems is real.

The mainstream media uses hypnosis in the background and some people are immune to the manipulation and control but others are susceptible to it. My sister is easily hypnotized called the somnambulistic state. I am in a higher frequency that is unconditional love as an emotion and I am immune to this hypnosis. The ones who are being mind controlled are very paranoid and attack those who are awake.

The truth is coming out and we see the karma in action unfolding. What goes around comes around and the justice from the universe is swift this year. I keep telling people to stop the attacks because the karma is coming. Ouch if we don’t love humanity.

Commenter 101 @Commenter103:  im addicted to reading all my life, I really appreciate not only gaining a knowledge but also learning process, merging with it is ultimate goal, im humbly saying i can sense it, but cannot penetrate it.. not as close to understanding it as the author of this words tho..

Commenter 103 @Commenter101: Reading is really a wonderful thing. I have been able to read more during this pandemic if there can be positives that we can learn from these times. I like science fiction. Like Lord Valentine’s Castle Trilogy. I have not read as much as I would have liked but I hope to write a science fiction book one day based on truth. Like The Wizard of Oz books.

I like Oracle cards and I talk to the person first and then I give them the cards to pick for themselves. Then the things that I told them show up in the cards they chose. It reinforces to them what I said.

I think it happens because in the 4th dimension of that physical state of vibration then we can sense or know the future. The dimensions are not places like destinations but more like matching up in frequency. I am not sure if I go slightly into the future of awareness like deja vu but that is why life can be magical in a good way.

Trump’s Executive Order Against the International Criminal Court

June 11, 2020:
Trump continues to remove threats to the freedom of the American people with today’s Executive Order to take action against the International Criminal Court and related parties.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-associated-international-criminal-court/

Freeze the property assets of folks who are a threat to Americans.

Commenter 1: I wonder if there’s any media coverage of this or if they’re still focused on calling him a racist. Can you say more about the implications?

@Commenter 1: The International Criminal Court (ICC) is a vehicle of the NWO. If the USA agreed to be part of the ICC, then the ICC could hold US military and political leaders to a NWO global standard of justice.
Trump is assuring the sovereignty of Americans to be able to govern themselves.

Commenter 1: Canada should do the same!

Commenter 2: DJT is doing many wonderful things. When personal research has been done, and individuals exercise their muscle of discernment and tune out the MSM, one may notice many things are not as they appear.

@Commenter 2: Please feel free to share here, what other actions you have discovered that implies that DJT is working for freedom, safety, health, and the pursuit of happiness.

Commenter 3: Yesss

Commenter 4: Harreson, it sounds like you want the US to be more like North Korea, China, and Russia with no accountability regarding world standards of conduct. Open season on torture, other war crimes and genocide. Am I hearing you correctly on this? Am I missing something?

Commenter 5 @Commenter 4: yes, you are missing the higher principle, which is, nations have sovereignty and do not get ruled by an unelected group of super rich, one world government bureaucrats who want to rule over every man, woman and child on planet earth with no accountability, no mandate and no morality..just virtue signalling bullshit.

Yes, there were likely crimes committed in these illegal wars, but it is up to the citizens of each country to hold their government accountable, not a bunch of geo-political agents of the 1% to pretend to do so, simply to advance their nwo agenda. they are phoney, and evil, and nakedly so . 
www.unnwo.org

Commenter 4 @Commenter 5: I would like to know if Harreson agrees with the Wild West model you espouse or if he prefers at more inclusive kinder world where nations seek to operate in cooperation, peace, and generosity of spirit.

Commenter 5 @Commenter 4: Wild West model…? can you explain your label please? “Nations” cannot do any of that if they cease to be “nations”…

Commenter 5 @Commenter 4: Transition to Greatness is Live now. I wish more people would set aside their hate and find the good in what is….we can’t change who the President is until the election…so in the meantime, isn’t looking for the good and calling out the verifiable mistakes, the best thing we can do? I’d like to see the same level of engagement here in Canada because we have way less democracy here. Here is the solution. 
https://unifythepeople.ca/

Commenter 5 @Commenter 4: They are going to invest billions into minority communities, even beyond the Opportunity Zones Program that invested over 80 Billion $ , from the private industries, in over 200 low income communities across America. They are going to fix the sub-standard medical institutions and hospitals. They are going to fund social workers and mental health workers to ride along with police where possible. How will people try to spin this into something negative…let’s see.. 

https://youtu.be/ys9sX1qh08k

@Commenter 4: I am with you for a kinder world where nations seek to operate in cooperation, peace, and generosity of spirit.

Before that happens on a global level, cooperation, peace, and generosity must happen on the national level.

Before that can happen on the national level, it must happen on the federal, state/provincial, and municipal levels.

Before that can happen, kindness, tolerance, forgiveness, empathy, generosity, and peace must happen on the individual level.

I think that top down governance where the underlying philosophy might not be compassion, cooperation, peace and generosity is something to avoid at all costs.

For example, here in Canada, the Harper government secretly and behind-closed-doors, brokered the FIPA with China in 2014. It puts Canada at tremendous disadvantages, one of which Chinese corporations can sue the Canadian government. With one agreement, all of a sudden China has legal power over Canada.
And Trudeau would have brokered more agreements with China.

I think it’s a matter of you got to crawl before you can walk, walk before you can run, put on the airmask first before you attend to others, and clean out your house first before inviting others over to live with you.
Be very careful of whom you choose for roommates – you may never get them out, and they may make life hell for you.

https://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/op-ed/comment-canada-china-fipa-good-idea-flawed-deal-1.1395075
https://rabble.ca/books/reviews/2016/01/debunking-fipa-canadas-lopsided-investment-deal-china

Commenter 4: Yes, progress is slow, but I think for someone like Trump who wants more power to use brutal methods to shut down protestors, and tried to get the military to open fire on asylum seekers to seek to avoid accountability for his brutal intent from the world Court is, to me, a scary prospect. I am glad to hear you wish for peace and compassion. That is how I remember you to be.

@Commenter 4: It’s very scary with the rioting and provocation that’s happening down there. Ideally, peaceful protests would be able to have their own space, but others are using the opportunity to pursue their own agendas.

A very difficult situation – I would be totally stressed out if I had to deal with it.

Commenter 4: To me it is scarier what people of color have had to deal with for so long, and that threatens their everyday safety, security, liberty, life, health, wellbeing, economic security and more. Trump is taking the position that they are terrorists and that their voices should be silenced with violence the preferred tool. I feel that a sliver of air is finally leaking through and for that I am grateful.

@Commenter 4: I think you’re saying that you’re relieved that the chronic oppression of POC is having an opportunity to be heard.

Commenter 4: and that people in power are starting to take action.

Commenter 4: But there is such a long way to go. Will it survive past the news cycle?

Commenter 4: And will progressive bills die on the Senate floor?

@Commenter 4: I hope that the progressive bills that defend the freedom, health, safety, privacy, and allows America to be Great again, will be passed by Senate.

I’m hopeful that with continued prayer and peoples’ heartful efforts, that good will overcome non-life-affirming efforts.

Commenter 6 @Commenter 4: hi there! I know the two gentlemen in this thread but I don’t think that you and I have met. I read thru and I wanted to ask you about the post of yours that I clicked Like on:

“To me it is scarier what people of color have had to deal with for so long, and that threatens their everyday safety, security, liberty, life, health, wellbeing, economic security and more. Trump is taking the position that they are terrorists and that their voices should be silenced with violence the preferred tool. I feel that a sliver of air is finally leaking through and for that I am grateful.”

I see the first part as the POC and agree with everything you wrote about them. I started to lose you in the next sentence starting with ‘Trump’. Is he is referring to the POC as terrorists, (which is what I think you were writing about?) or is he referring to the Antifa as terrorists?

Asking as perhaps I missed the story on the part that you are relaying…
Thanks!! 🙂

Commenter 5: Another Globalist domino falls….good.

Commenter 7: This is BS. he’s not doing that to save “average Americans”. He’s doing it to protect the corrupt and ruthless “business people” who plunder the planet using unethical and illegal practices. This is another move to protect the 1% from being accountable for their actions.

@Commenter 7: I hear that you’re saying that this EO has nothing to do with protecting the average Joe but is more geared to protecting the ruthless plundering business people.

Commenter 7: exactly. What does the average American have to fear from this court? It has no interest in them it is only interested in criminals who operate on an international level. Like, perhaps, the Trump family?

@Commenter 7: I wonder if this analogy applies:

Suppose you are the owner of a large parcel of land. And you have folks living on that parcel of land, hopefully living peacefully and harmoniously. You’ve created a bit of community with those folks. And maybe you feel connected with those folks and feel some responsibility to help see that their lives are fruitful and happy.

One day, a neighbour from far away comes to visit. And says, “Wow! This is such a great thing you have here. I want a piece of the action and I want authority to be able to make decisions that contest however you are stewarding this land and these people.”

I think the International Criminal Court is such a neighbour.

Let me know your thoughts on this analogy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

https://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/PIDS/publications/UICCEng.pdf

From Catherine Gegout’s 2013 critique of the ICC:
“Significance of the ICC for criminals and victims

I argue in this section that the ICC either has no impact or a positive impact in terms of providing international justice and peace.

First, the ICC does not seem to have prevented potential criminals from being violent, whether they live instates parties or non-party states to the ICC, but this could change in the future given that some potential criminals seem to fear the ICC.

Second, the reaction of individuals indicted by the ICC is indeterminate: some have continued to use violence, whereas others seem to have contained it.

Finally, victims who are aware of the ICC seem to be generally in favour of it, even if it only provides symbolic justice. “

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/01436597.2013.800737

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-45670690/why-is-the-international-criminal-court-under-attack

Commenter 8: umm… do you really see the American government as a bunch of folks peacefully living in harmony on their own land? The average American middle class probably, but not their elites. It may be that Trump is against some elites, but its more that he just wants his elites to be there instead.

https://www.theatlantic.com/…/america-is-not-a…/550931/
* Trump has no real intention of devolving power back to the people. He’s filled his administration with members of the same elite he disparaged on the campaign trail. His biggest legislative success, the tax bill, has handed gifts to corporations and the donor class. A little more than a year after America rebelled against political elites by electing a self-proclaimed champion of the people, its government is more deeply in the pockets of lobbyists and billionaires than ever before.

https://www.vox.com/…/156…/trump-government-fossil-fuels
* Donald Trump is handing the federal government over to fossil fuel interests. The appointments, the policies, the rhetoric — it is not subtle.

https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/beachhead
* Here are More than 1,000 Officials Trump has Quietly Deployed Across the Government

https://www.vox.com/…/trump-press-briefing-fake-news

@Commenter 8: I can see that American folks are not and that’s why I put in my analogy “hopefully living…”

In any case, the analogy was about the visiting neighbour who wants authority over you. Instead of looking at a country, one could closer to one’s home. If someone owned their own home, and then someone came along and told you that they wanted authority on what happens in your home, that they could tell you what’s right or wrong within your home, how would that feel?

I believe that is the role that the International Criminal Court wants to play in other peoples’ business.

Commenter 7: The ICC has jurisdiction to prosecute individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression.
For which of these do you feel the US should have immunity from accountability? Why?

Commenter 8: umm… do you really see the American government as a bunch of folks peacefully living in harmony on their own land? The average American middle class probably, but not their elites. It may be that Trump is against some elites, but its more that he just wants his elites to be there instead.

https://www.theatlantic.com/…/america-is-not-a…/550931/
* Trump has no real intention of devolving power back to the people. He’s filled his administration with members of the same elite he disparaged on the campaign trail. His biggest legislative success, the tax bill, has handed gifts to corporations and the donor class. A little more than a year after America rebelled against political elites by electing a self-proclaimed champion of the people, its government is more deeply in the pockets of lobbyists and billionaires than ever before.

https://www.vox.com/…/156…/trump-government-fossil-fuels
* Donald Trump is handing the federal government over to fossil fuel interests. The appointments, the policies, the rhetoric — it is not subtle.

https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/beachhead
* Here are More than 1,000 Officials Trump has Quietly Deployed Across the Government

https://www.vox.com/…/trump-press-briefing-fake-news

@Commenter 7: The analogies I put forth to Dan and Audrey present my view of the ICC. I will try to duplicate it again.

Here’s my analogy that I gave Audrey of how I see the ICC as a visiting organization (I used the word neighbour, but I think organization is more appropriate).

“If someone owned their own home, and then some organization comes along and tells you that they want authority on what happens in your home, that they can tell you what’s right or wrong within your home, how would that feel?”

The analogy I put forth to Dan was roughly this:
“Imagine you have a large parcel of land. You have people living there (hopefully peacefully and harmoniously). A sense of community is being built. You feel a sense of connection and responsibility to these folks.

Then one day, a representative from a far away organization comes to visit. The representative tells you that they want authority over what happens within your parcel of land and over the folks who preside in it. They want the ability to say what is right and what is wrong and to be able to execute what judgment and penalty they deem appropriate. They will put you on trial and you will have to be accountable to them.”

That’s how I view the role of what the ICC wants to implement around the world.

Please let me know what you think.

Commenter 7: And which of these crimes is part of Trumps plan? Why is he so desperate for this that he had to do it by executive order?

Commenter 7: Which side of this do you want to be on?

@Commenter 7: As I mentioned before, I am for any bills and actions that defend the freedom, health, safety, privacy, ability to pursue one’s happiness without harming anyone, and allows America to be Great again. And not only America but for all peoples’ and countries.

Commenter 7: I don’t understand. Your posts about this executive order do not reflect that sentiment. The ICC only applies to the most horrific of international crimes.

Commenter 9: Many of the actions taken by the national guard and the US could fall under international human rights violations.

Commenter 8:  in general I agree with the sentiment against excessive partiality for a foreign nation, as espoused by George Washington. Or as John Quincy Adams said, a nation should not go abroad “in search of monsters to destroy.”

On that note, I think an organization like the ICC, is probably incapable of being impartial, based on current global politics/ methodologies/ human failing. So I think I can understand your general point.

I just wish that those principles that the US administration do onto others as they wish to happen to themselves.

The fact that the Republican party is deliberately trying to hawk anti-China rhetoric as a way to win the elections is hypocritical or gutless at best.

To pluck yet another scapegoat out of the air to win the elections. Sometimes blame the Jews, sometimes the deepstate, sometimes the muslims, now the Chinese government. I mean when is it gonna end? Why can’t the US elections be just about the policies of US politicians in USA?

https://www.vanityfair.com/…/why-trumps-blame-china…

@Commenter 7: I apologize if my analogies are not making sense. Basically I think that the ICC wants to get countries to agree to give the ICC jurisdiction in their country.

Yes, they may start with the worst criminal cases but as I try to show in my analogy, why would anyone give a representative of some organization jurisdiction in your business?

I wonder if I switch analogies might help. If you’re a mother and you’re taking care of your child. One day a man comes to visit you and wants you to agree to them being able to judge the actions of your children and pass sentence on them. Would you give them the permission and jurisdiction to do that to your children?

I hope that makes it clearer on my view of what I think the ICC is trying to do.

@Commenter 9: As we’ve seen with top level organizations like WHO or CDC, their judgments and opinions hold sway over billions of peoples’ lives. Do we really want to give our power away to top governance that have no connection to the people?

@Commenter 8: I’m starting to realize that China is dear to your heart and that you feel that they have been portrayed unfairly.

Commenter 7: Do you have any evidence that the ICC operate outside of their purview? As a mother there are laws that prevent me from killing or abusing my children (as there should be).

Commenter 8:  only to the point that I don’t want to be burnt alive, like the Jews were when they were they blamed for causing black death. Now, Chinese are being blamed for black death.

I have never met any relatives in China, don’t even know their names. I don’t speak Chinese. I just don’t want to be burnt alive, or subject to the type of Holocaust that Jews under Germany were subject to because according to the Nazis the Jews controlled the world or internment. Can’t you see that is where we are headed?

Commenter 8: don’t you realize if the rhetoric against China continues unabated, that your family could be interned as the Japanese were, and any property or valuables confiscated.

It doesn’t matter that you support Trump or espouse conservatives views. Once the rhetoric overtakes all rationality, your skin colour will be seen as evidence of guilt.

@Commenter 7: I don’t have any personal evidence. Let’s look at this 2013 report by Catherine Gegout. The International Criminal Court: limits, potential and conditions for the promotion of justice and peace, Third World Quarterly, 34:5, 800-818, DOI:10.1080/01436597.2013.800737

On page 806/9:

“The ICC is a legal body, supposedly concerned with justice, and not politics. However, the Court can have considerable political impact because it has signif-\icant independent power. The chief prosecutor can initiate an investigation on the basis of a referral from any state which is party to the ICC, or from the UNSC acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations.

In addition, the prosecutor can initiate investigations proprio motu, on the basis of information received from individuals or organisations about crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court. The prosecutor has done this twice since its creation: in Kenyaand in Ivory Coast.

The ICC does not work consistently according to the principles of international law, and it does not always appear fair. The Court chooses its prosecutions strategically, following criteria of its own. The ICC has to decide whether it will be more effective to pursue one case, and see the person indicted, judged and imprisoned, than to investigate many cases where evidence is limited and successful prosecution uncertain.

The procedure used by the ICC can sometimes yield controversial results.The prosecutor uses the jurisdictional threshold of gravity: only serious crimes are investigated. But s/he does not follow his/her own threshold consistently. For instance, in the DRC those investigating the crimes of Thomas Lubanga found evidence of torture, pillage, rape and enslavement, but as this evidence was insufficient, a decision was made to focus only on child soldiers.”



“The Court has targeted some individuals, but neglected others equally well known for their violence and crimes. For instance, in the DRC, the ICC has not indicted Laurent Nkunda, leader of the rebel group known as the National Congress for the Defence of the People (CNDP) in Eastern Congo. In Kenya the ICC investigation is not considered fair by everyone, as the ICC prosecutor does not appear to be investigating the worst offenders, but rather those who are easily apprehended.”

There’s a bunch more examples in the report, I believe.

https://www.tandfonline.com/…/10.1080/01436597.2013.800737

@Commenter 8: I think that you’re saying that you’re worried that China will be illegally and improperly penalized for crimes that they did not commit. And that because my family heritage is Chinese, that my family and I will also suffer those consequences of unjust imprisonment or worse.

You’re worried that escalating, uncontrollable, unrational, emotional racism against China will translate into actions similar to the Jews being gassed, the Japanese being interned and their property taken away from them, and that you don’t want to suffer the same fate of being burnt alive.

Commenter 10: you are a good conversationalist, you actually make an effort to understand what people are saying.

@Commenter 10: Thanks for the acknowledgment G. My style of communication stems from a long standing concern that I’ve had about myself: “I don’t know what to say.”

Because I felt that I didn’t know what to say, then I spent time learning what to say in order to meet my needs for connection and authenticity. That led to Non Violent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg and reflective listening. As my own trauma received some healing, as I found my own mission and place in the world, then I was able to hold more space for others. Whether it is compassionate or empathetic enough, I just have to accept where I’m at right now and keep on doing my best.

Feel free to call me out whenever I’m not doing as good a job as I could. I certainly have lots of blind spots.

Commenter 10: Reflective listening is so powerful, people rightly feel acknowledged when they are heard.

Commenter 8: I do appreciate when you switch to NVC style communication, but I want to suggest that in this era of McCarthyism 2.0, can you please, never suggest that I am pro-China?

That to me, this is the equivalent of Amy Cooper calling the cops on Chris Cooper saying an African American man is harassing her.

First off, I am not pro-China, I am anti-propaganda. I will happily discuss issues with the government of China, as long as they are justified. Just because I realize there is a lot of fakenews about China doesn’t make me pro-China. I just want fair coverage… yes… so that I don’t get sent to an internment camp, get gassed to death, or get burnt to death.

Second off, even if I was pro-China, the effect of calling someone pro-China, is currently a way of dehumanizing them. As the assumption is, that the pro-China person must be a paid bot or spy.

I say we are at the stage of McCarthyism, because we already see the effect propaganda has on reducing peoples desire to go to Chinese restaurants, do business with Chinese people in Vancouver. Same as happened to the Jews before the holocaust. First dehumanize the race, call them dirty, call them spreading of diseases, say they are poisoning your wells/food, call them only interested in money, and destroying society.

You can say the republicans called out the CCP and not the Chinese race in their memo to to candidates by the National Republican Senatorial Committee, but so did Hitler when he first called out the Jewish elite in Russia, Britain and America.

We already see top scientists nationality orientation suspected, instead of questioning their science or methods such as Dr. Theresa Tam. We see Harvard’s Charles Lieber branded as a spy for consorting with the Chinese government, when what he did was more akin to tax evasion.

Same as what happened in the McCarthy trials, where just by knowing someone that was in the communist party you could lose your career. Such as when esteemed physicist Robert Oppenheimer had to then work as a cattle rancher instead. Or Owen Lattimore lost his position. Or many Hollywood stars were blacklisted.

They were later proven not to be guilty of spying. However, the assumption was just that if you were not anti-Communist then you must be a spy.

@Commenter 8: I apologize for thinking that you are pro-China. I guess that when you were talking about Taiwan, I got the impression that you were anti-Taiwan and pro-China. I will keep that in mind that you are not pro-China (and I don’t associate pro-China to being a spy).

Thank you for clarifying your view.

I’m guessing that you’re concerned that the SARS-CoV-2 virus originating from Wuhan is creating a huge backlash directed to innocent Chinese folks. And being a compassionate person, you don’t want Chinese or any other folks to be harmed and being witch-hunted.

Commenter 11: i can’t believe you are defending the Donald…but i still love you for who you are.

@Commenter 11: The evil Trump – how could I be defending that sexist, racist, insensitive pig!?

It’s hard to believe, eh? Feel free to share with me otherwise what his failing are. I acknowledge he has a bunch of them.

Love you too. 🙂

Commenter 8: what I’ve discovered about my research about Taiwan, is yes, I was initially horrified about the actions of Taiwan elites.

But later I realized, that some of the Taiwanese democratic movement, does not consider Taiwan’s KMT government to be Taiwanese, but instead Mainlanders.

I can’t say they are wrong, but they probably can’t publicize globally that view either because that would be like saying that Mainland Chinese formed the bulk of the government of Taiwan since 1949.

Its complicated. But if I can simplify, Taiwan is caught in a tug-of-war internally. Nothing to do with external forces. The KMT party that was ruling Taiwan for most of the time since 1949 is pro-China (as in they want to rule China), the DDP party that is now in power, prefers independence. Each party when voted into government undoes each others work with the definition of Taiwan vs Republic of China.

The Taiwanese people themselves were terrorized and subjugated by the KMT elite that declared themselves lords of Formosa/Taiwan, after being defeated by the CCP.

So I’ve since softened against the Taiwanese, and we probably both agree that the KMT elite are worse than evil.

And I am upset about how the KMT elite have shaped global politics since 1949 with bribes and lies.

https://consortiumnews.com/…/how-china-lobby-shaped…/

@Commenter 8: Thanks for that link. That’s an interesting point that you bring up regarding the pros and cons of KMT vs DDP.

Since my post here is about Trump’s EO on the ICC, my preference would be to take this KMT-DDP dialogue on a separate thread. I know nothing about China/Taiwan politics.

Do you feel comfortable to post something on your timeline about this? Then I can reply there.

Commenter 8: apologies. I am not highly interested in Taiwan’s internal politics, as I think it is for them to sort out.

I do want to create some kind of document to ask people to not allow the Republican party to dominate news with their anti-China agenda. Not because I’m pro-China, but because I’m against elites controlling the agenda. However, I’m not ready for that yet, will let you know.

@Commenter 8:  Let me know and I can contribute to the dialogue since I’m interested in fair governance that benefits the people.

Commenter 5 @Commenter 8: Trump & Pompeo “blaming” China ….is a total distraction, a cover story, for optics, for the public, because blaming another state for anything bad that happens..is the old playbook go-to move…..and we expect it. but, it’s ALL a cover story, for what is really happening behind the scenes…and I will bet that Xi is in on it…”All the world is a stage”..let us remember 😉

Commenter 5: I hope you can let go of your fear of China doing something bad to us, and if you want to be afraid of something, there’s plenty going on here in North America, Australia, NZ and Europe to be VERY concerned about…. with where this woke, nihilist, postmodernist culture is trying to take us… it has the potential be be our “Cultural Revolution”…and we know how that went…for all those with “the wrong thoughts”….

Commenter 11: Totally behind this. In all historic examples where an organization/overseer enters a community that they are not based out of, the community loses their sovereignty and becomes one more thing to be dominated by the governing party. Think of the royal family, the catholic church, Monsanto, the oil industry, forestry… or read 1984. Governance and accountability HAS to happen by the local people who live there… that’s the only way communities have maintained any sense of social justice, security and sovereignty throughout history.

Commenter 5 @Commenter 11: Very well put, Jessica! And we see this exact thing happening south of the border, to a high degree, as the citizens are now protecting their neighbourhoods and small businesses from those violent agitators whose mission is to destroy, terrorize and destabilize the government.

In doing so they are also empowering the peaceful protesters pushing for system change AT THE LOCAL LEVEL FIRST! I recently came across Unify the People movement here in Canada that is growing fast by the looks of it, which seeks to dissolve the patriarchal systems of governance and replace them with a people run system, under a Republic where no institutions or governments can take away the enshrined rights of ANY person!

Listen to the videos here from one of the organizers. Very exciting! The movement is underway to free the Canadian people from these thieves in suits, like Tru Dough & Co. Wouldn’t it be great to see someone like Jody Wilson-Raybould join THIS movement!?? Maybe we can try to get this in front of her. The time is right! 
https://unifythepeople.ca/

@Commenter 11:  Thanks for your people-power oriented thoughts JMAH! 🙂

Commenter 5 @Commenter 11: Here is one massively heroic man who is taking matters into his own hands, and attracting some very high level people, including, he says, a 2 Star American General, who is letting TRump know what’s going on…he claims, and this emerging struggle for freedom and justice here in the wild west of C, eh, N, eh, D, eh! 😉

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UN5kqiIzxs

Commenter 12:
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/6/12/headlines/trump_sanctions_icc_staff_as_investigators_probe_us_war_crimes_in_afghanistan

@Commenter 12: Thanks for the link and adding your input.

From the article:
“The Trump administration announced sanctions Thursday against investigators with the International Criminal Court amid reports the ICC has evidence of rape, torture and other war crimes committed by American forces in Afghanistan.

Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU’s National Security Project, responded, “President Trump is grossly abusing emergency powers to block one of the only avenues left for justice to victims of terrible American human rights violations. He has repeatedly bullied international organizations, and is now playing directly into the hands of authoritarian regimes by intimidating judges and prosecutors committed to holding countries accountable for war crimes.””

Sounds like you would like us to consider Ms Shamsi’s view?

Commenter 12:
You don’t have to rely on Ms Shamsi’s “view.” WikiLeaks exposed millions of internal government documents exposing war crimes and lies misleading the public. There is hard evidence and witnesses. But no one paid much attention at the time to WikiLeaks or the persecution of Julian Assuage. Perhaps if there was a pandemic back then things might be different.

As far as Trump goes, in my mind, someone with half your intelligence and an eighth of your heart, Harrreson, should be able to recognize this man is a dangerous sociopath, a fascist, a raciest, a tyrant. I wonder given the way this pandemic has affected us all, and knowing you are a kind caring intelligent person, that it has put you in a crisis of sorts. It just seems really weird you’d be embracing this stuff. It don’t make sense to me.

The so called liberal media is corporate media. They talk political correctness, gender politics, they don’t threaten capitalism or call for economic equality. Them going off on Trump is a cheap distraction, it it meaningless. They serve the same corporate master class Trump serves and is a part of. Joe Biden serves them too. There is a deluge of conspiracy theories saturating the internet. Many propagated by right wing groups just to muddy the waters, so you have to sift through sewage to get to the truth.

@Commenter 12: Thanks for your input. You’re wanting me to see that Trump is a dangerous sociopath, fascist, racist, and a tyrant. And that Trump is serving the same master as Biden.

And thus you feel puzzled and concerned for me to see posts on my timeline regarding Trump’s suspect actions. Thank you for your concern.

Shifting through the information sure is a quirky thing to do. I think that we all come to our own unique conclusions.