Aug 22, 2020 Freedom for the Children Global Walk

Aug 22, 2020: Save the Children Freedom Global Walk. Some photos from Hila’s, Vee’s, at all camera. Sorry, I’m just screenshotting them from your profiles – let me know if you don’t want me to do this. (for some reason, I can’t edit my previous post, so have to create a new one).
She managed to get a picture of the rare unicorn appearance!

https://www.facebook.com/harreson/videos/10157747355466743
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10158570555951866

July 1, 2020 Protest Against Traitor Dictator Trudeau

I’m so glad that people are standing up and speaking out against the tyranny and corrupt dictatorship of Trudeau. We have to go the Americans for help. Go Canadians go!

Thousands at the American Embassy demanding an end to Trudeau’s corruption

Posted by What's Up Canada? on Wednesday, July 1, 2020

Another view of the demonstration against Trudeau:

Thousands marching for #Liberty on #RealCanadaday #TakeBackCanada

Posted by What's Up Canada? on Wednesday, July 1, 2020

Tom: Send Justin Castro TurdDough to GITMO!!! abetting and aiding evil sickos

Tom:  Big turn out with Norm Traversy today, awesome!

Thaddeus MacThomas (former infantry veteran in the Royal Canadian Regiment) serving Trudeau notice.

https://www.facebook.com/todd.holmes.3762/videos/10163885973675258/

Emily: “Tag Donald Trump?”” As a GOOD guy????

me @Emily: Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes.

Emily @me: H, do you believe in QAnon?

me @Emily: While I know of QAnon, I haven’t followed them and I believe that I have never mentioned QAnon on my timeline ever.

Emily @me: Good to hear H. They are a right wing conspiracy theory group

Shelley: What specifically makes Q anon right wing?

Emily @Shelley: when you trace it back, its right wing extremists backing it.

Emily *2: WTF!!!

Emily *2: I would far rather have Elizabeth May than Justin Tudeau, but TRUMP??? Are you kidding me???

me @Emily*2: Kevin O’Leary also doesn’t think Trudeau is fit for governance.

Emily *2: Kevin O’Leary is a dick

Emily *2: I am not a Trudeau fan, but Kevin O’Leary is a bigoted dick.

me @Emily: Good to hear your opinion. I haven’t listened to Kevin O’Leary until today.

Emily *2 @ me: My advice is, don’t, H.
I notice you seem very drawn to right wing conservative politicians. I’m curious about this because you seem to be a rather loving, caring type of person, who wants less violence and more care in the world.

Why are you drawn towards these right wing men who are about cutting social support services and hoarding wealth away from their citizens, making the rich richer and the poor, poorer? Taking medical care away from those who need it? Support from peole with disabilities? From single mothers? From children?

You seem to be very drawn to male conservative leaders who don’t seem very connected to their hearts at all, and who seem to be at least acting, in quite a heartless manner. I wonder about why this draws your interest and alignment when it seems so contrary to your values as a feminist, compassionate, kind and spritual person.

Colleen @Emily*2: I echo your questions and comments.

Emily *2 @Colleen: Thank you C. I hope I’m not being too confrontational. I just don’t understand the appeal of these “tough guy” leaders, who seem to lack any compassion whatsoever.

Emily *2: They often claim identities as “Christian” but.. don’t act like Jesus would, that’s for sure!

me @Emily*2: As I mentioned in one of our earlier threads, I place high importance in freedom. Without freedom, nothing else is possible.

Trudeau definitely is not operating in the interests of the freedom of Canadians. Trump is operating in the interests of the freedom of the American people.

Colleen @me: I don’t think you could be more wrong if you tried Harrison. You sound like you’re speaking straight out of a conspiracy theorist’s manifesto. Trump is a wrecking ball. Where have you been?

Emily *2 @me: Trump is operating on behalf of CERTAIN Americans. Not most of them, by any stretch. He is not fighting for the rights of his people to have health care, to have adequate wages, to have adequate food and education. He is only increasing the wealth gap, making his rich freinds richer. He only cares about rich Americans who can feed his campaign and scratch his back.

me @Colleen: Thanks for you input Chris. I’m glad to read your words after receiving an angry face response to one of my posts.

As I mentioned on another (separate) thread, the word “conspiracy” is used when one person’s words and beliefs are incomprehensible to another person’s belief system. I would make a request to you to not use the word conspiracy. And consider using I statements like: “I cannot comprehend how you could think that when I believe ….”

Let’s start with Trudeau. I’ve posted a couple things on my timeline about Trudeau’s treason to Canadians.

1. Using the Order in Council process to ram through the gun ban bill without any parliamentary discussion.

2. Tricking the NDP/Greens to agree with a special covid meeting format with reduced powers so that the next regular Parliamentary meeting won’t happen until September.

3. Buying up the Kinder Morgan TransMountain Pipeline in order to pander to his Chinese masters for their need for oil.

4. Rather than try to ameliorate the damaging effects of the secret-behind-closed-doors-Harper-brokered FIPA agreement with China, Trudeau continues to broker more trade agreements with China.

5. Trudeau does not to prevent Chinese buyout of Canadian companies, but rather encourages it I imagine.

6. Trudeau does not give multi million dollar contracts to Canadian companies, but rather to Chinese companies

7. Trudeau continues Harper’s selling of all Canada’s reserves of gold (we have 0 reserves now) and buys shares in Chinese banks

me @Colleen: In short, Trudeau is allowing and encouraging Canada to be turned into another Africa, to be used and drained dry.

Emily *2 @me: I agree he should not be pandering to China like that H.

but.. why are you concerned he banned guns? Look at the USA’s gun policy. And look at how many deaths they have had from people going postal and mass murdering. Look at the nubers of people who die from mass killings like that when there are bans on assault rifles. Hardly any! I’m glad he banned assault rifles! Who needs an assault rifle! No one!

Emily *2: Trudeau is also selling out to USA

me @Emily: I posted on my timeline why I feel the Trudeau Order In Council (OIC) issued gun ban is not good for Canadians.

1. Trudeau grossly overstepped Parliamentary procedure by disallowing any Parliamentary debate. OIC is basically saying “I’m doing this and I don’t give a damn what any of you think.”

2. Canada has one of the strictest gun laws in the world (I don’t know how strict because I’m not a gun person), but it’s not easy to legally get a gun in Canada. The Canadians who do, know that it is a privilege and follow the law governing gun use and transport.

The criminals don’t follow the Canadian system to acquire a gun. They get their guns illegally (since they don’t want their guns to be traced back to them) from the States and other places.

3. Waste of money to stop gun related harm. Many police associations, I believe, have said that the hundreds of millions of dollars used to buyback guns which already in the legal possession of law-abiding Canadians could be used to strengthen border patrol and other measurements to get illegal guns off the street.

Canadians who are legal owners of guns generally are not criminals and do not use those guns to commit crimes or kill. People with illegal guns do. Trudeau is wasting hundreds of millions of dollars towards an ineffective strategy to reduce gun crime and harm.

4. Canada’s current highly restrictive gun laws only allow an “assault weapon” to hold a maximum of 5 rounds. Hand guns can hold 10. Canada’s gun laws, I believe, do not allow for an assault weapon which we might see in movies, which can hold 30 rounds and more.

The recent killings in the East was from an illegally obtained gun from the States.

https://canadianfirearmsblog.ca/impo…/magazine-capacities/

Emily *2: Guns kill people, H. We should not need these kinds of weapons.

Shelley: Well, no, guns are also used for hunting and survival for some people. People kill people, sometimes with guns, sometimes with other things. I was anti-gun too, but there was no reason for this move, as Harreson pointed out, the assault weapons are already banned here.

Emily *2: https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/04/covid-top-10-current-conspiracy-theories

Mary @Emily*2: I was wondering the same! I was surprised to see support for Trump when all I’ve seen from Trump is as you said above.

me @Mary: Thanks for joining in the converstion M. Good to have you here. I’m dialoguing with @Emily*2 so I don’t know how I will be able to field everyone’s concerns.

Mike: H, I don’t disagree with some of the evidence you document about undemocratic actions. However, it’s wrong thinking to say anyone but Trudeau is better, or that politicians will do what they say. The system is built a certain way not for real democracy. Thinking any demogogue will fundamentally change things is unrealistic historically.

Trudeau is mostly a figurehead without a backbone. Keep in mind that fundamental change almost always comes through grounded mass movements.

me @Mary: If you want me to field any questions, please put your questions on this thread. I’m trying to keep Ellesig’s and thread, just for our dialogue.

Mary @me: No worries. They’re covering the questions I had well.

me @Mike: You’re saying that it’s wrong thinking to think that anyone but Trudeau is better (especially Trump as a better alternative) and that Trump won’t live up to his words.

I don’t think that Canada is set up as a democracy. I think it’s a corporation as listed under the US Securities & Exchange Commission.

I’m not sure which leader you’re referring to when you say demogague – Trudeau or Trump?

Any in case, you’re saying that fundamental change almost always comes through a mass movement of the people.

me: July 3, 2020: Trudeau to be investigated for ethics in participation in $900 million contract to WE charity.

The article states:
“Trudeau previously faced probes over the SNC-Lavalin affair and his family’s 2016 trip to the Aga Khan’s private island. In both cases, the commissioner found the prime minister had violated ethics rules.”

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/ethics-commissioner-launches-investigation-into-trudeau-dollar900m-we-charity-contract/ar-BB16jfgQ?li=AAggNb9

https://scontent-fml2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s403x403/106268609_10157620463451743_9121379566937651919_o.jpg

me: July 3, 2020 Michelle Rempel Garner gives us more explanation of the ethics investigation on Trudeau

me: July 3, 2020 WE charity pulls out of the $900 million contract but I think the Conservations still want the ethics investigation to go through.

Emily *3: This is one of the most blatant displays of ignorance I’ve seen, other than a Trump rally

Emily *3: Nobody wearing a mask, in a pandemic.

Emily *3: People going to be winning some Darwin awards soon and unfortunately taking out their grandparents too.

Emily *3 @me: what do you mean, “go to the Americans for help”? America is tanking under the so called “leadership” of the biggest buffoon the world stage has perhaps ever seen.

me @Emily*3: I think that the Canadians had no option to be received at Canada’s Parliament (since Trudeau tricked the Parliament not to meet until Sept), and so since the American embassy was open and receptive to receive their petition, then the protest went to the American Embassy.

Emily *3 @me: are you a “believer” in “QAnon?”

me @Emily*3: I’m a believer in unity rather than division.

Emily *3: Then why do you steer to the right, politically? The right wing faction is NOT about unity!

Emily *3: They are the most divisive.

Emily *3: Left extremism seems to be a little whacky as well.. they seem to go all the way around somehow and bump into the far right.. but they are more like “Conspiritualists”

Colleen @Emily3: Exactly

Emily *3: Just look at the Republicans. Jeezus. Rippin babies out of their mothers arms, taking the children into so called protective services, subjecting them to the sexual abuse of ICE thugs, then denying responsibility for their employees’ abuse of the children.. and deporting their parents. They could offer them some help, they could pul their drug lords out of Mexico and Columbia, and inject funds to help those communities recover. But America is profiting too much from those drug sales. It is so gross.

Colleen @Emily3: USA is the laughing stock of the whole world. dRump and the Republicans are destroying the country. Compared to that, Trudeau is a shining light, even if he isn’t perfect. In America it’s profits first. In Canada it’s people first. We’ve made mistakes, and we have a long way to go but humility helps. I’d like to see those Canadians who are busy trying to tear down the government and criticizing politicians actually do something useful with their time and energy to help those in need.

Emily *3 @Colleen: it is so hard to watch what is happening to the USA. I am very concerned for the American people. Trump is definitely the laughing stock, but he is a dangerous fool.

Colleen @Emily3: So true. So why do we have Canadians who idolize him? It baffles me.

Emily *3 @Colleen: I feel concerned about how the right wing politicians, and even so called “liberal” ones like Trudeau cater a lot to big business, increasing corporate wealth over making sure there is clean running water and adequate food on Indigenous reserves, neglecting the recommendtatins made by UNDRIP and the Stolen Sisters Report, even after they spent the money to get the report done. It’s like they only care to “look like’ they are actually giving a sh*t.

bSo, I actually feel Trudeau is more like a right wing guy too. And the NDP are more in the “liberal” zone, but also cave to industries, allowing the continual logging of old growth, when there is hardly any left at all, and allowing resource projects that place our waters at risk, allowing fish farms to continue spreading diusease to wild salmon, and shoving pipelines thorugh indigenous territories when they have no constitutinal right to do so.

Jenny @Emily*3: unfortunately it appears that H has lost his capacity for critical thinking and his grasp of reality. He has gone to the dark side – so sad to see.

me @Jenny: I’m open to hearing your view and enlightening me Joan. What does the world look like from your lens?

Colleen @Jenny: Yes, it’s very sad to see H spouting phrases and malarky from the dark side. I see no authentic data, clear scientific research, but only inflammatory comments that simply are not true.

me @Colleen: I hear that you feel that what I just posted is simply ridiculous, unsubstantiated, provocative, and has no basis in reality. Did I hear you correctly?

If so, which specific statements do you feel meet those criteria?

Colleen @me: There was no “tricking” people into not coming to Ottawa. It was a decision based on the advice of the country’s chief medical health officer: Canadians were required to “stay in place” in the early days of the pandemic.

Now is not the time to fight our own government, but to do everything possible to unite as a country to beat this virus. Now is the time to stay strong as proud Canadians, knowing that we have had one of the best results in dealing with COVID compared to most countries around the world. (USA is the worst in the world).

Now is the time to stand up for Black Live Matter initiatives. To support indigenous lives. To work together in unity to fight climate change, take care of our planet, and to take care of all the living beings on the planet.

Your energies teaming up with angry people going off on anti-Canadian tangents is ill advised. Your naivete around the harm Donald Trump has done is very, very sad. I am sorry that such a kind and loving gentleman has been co-opted by a small faction of society that are definitely on the wrong side of history right now.

I can only hope and pray that enlightenment, intelligence, sanity, and rational thought may enter your life and heart and return you to common sense. Since that’s unlikely, I will most likely have no choice but to unfriend you, as your positions and comments have become too frustrating to deal with.

me @Colleen: Thanks for taking the time and effort to clarify your feelings and viewpoint.

I think you’re saying that the suspension of Canada’s Parliament was justified in order to not spread any further infection and harm from covid.

And you value that at this crucial time, unity is especially important, not division.

I think that you’re also saying that you value movements that work for the equality and justice of the oppressed.

And that you’re frustrated that who you perceive as a kind and loving person has been so deluded to align themselves with forces that are detrimental to Canada’s wellbeing.

And to cap it off, that I might see some good in Trump is the final straw to unfriend me.

Thank you for your participation. I value you as a person and know that you are a caring person.

Emily *3 @me: would you feel more comfortable answering my questions in private message?

me @Colleen: If it’s alright with you, I’d like to continue using the FB platform to address your concerns. It is educational for all who view the thread. And it gives me a record of what I said and how I dialogued in my communication.

Emily *3: Ok great, I totally agree it is helpful for others to learn. Would you mind responding to my questions? I would like to understand. Thank you.

Emily *3 @me: I am not sure if you are having a busy day or just taking your time to be sure of your feelings before you respond. I hope this is the case, because it is starting to feel like you might be avoiding my questions, about how you can reconcile your compassionate heart, and wish for all beings to be treated with care and respect, and Trump’s human rights abuses.

This concerns me, because I believe that why people commit, and tolerate human rights abuses such as those being perpetrated by Trump in the US, and that have also been perpetrated here in Canada against BIPOC, is a shut down, closed, locked tight heart. A heart that is subverted to some other gain, perhaps egoic, perhaps material, but something in the wy of the fuly functioning human heart, I’m wanting to ask you about this, and bring this concept to your attention to consider, because by all accounts of you, you a re a heart centred man.

Indeed, you proclaimed this to me in another post on my own page. I need to know, how can a heart centred man turn his heart away from those who are being abused by Trump’s policies? How can your heart be so open in some circumstances and yet so shut down in these others, when there are real, precious human lives being taken, and families torn apart, in cold blood? The situation calls for an awakening of the heart into compassion. For a reorganizing of policy around that.

me @Emily*3: Sorry, I’ve been at work all day and am just getting ready for my next appointment. I will have more time this evening to devote more attention.

In the meantime, I was wondering what you thought of having a dialogue rather than a debate? I’m not so interested to debate as the “me against you” dynamic only perpetuates more of the division which is so harmful to the Canadian people at this time.

A dialogue takes more time and doesn’t have a set agenda of proving the other person wrong. I’m more interested in having a dialogue of what might be true for you and for me.

For example, when we first started communicating, I expressed that freedom was a very important value to me. Now, from our previous communications, I realize that truth is important to me also.

And in trying discovering what is true for you, then in my mind, for me to be in dialogue with you, then I communicate by:
– putting aside to some degree my views
– reflecting back to you my understanding of what you just tried to communicate to me
– being curious to find out more of what you believe and maybe even why you believe it
– not judging / labelling / criticizing you as crazy, insane, deluded, etc
– listening first and then responding when appropriate
– [edit add] using I statements when possible

Those were my thoughts this morning upon waking, but only had a chance now to put them on FB.

Let me know your thoughts.

Amy @me: Well stated

Emily *3 @me: that does sound good. how would you like to dialogue? In the chat windows as we are?

me @Emily*3: Yes, if you’re interested to dialogue with using some of the communication guidelines that I noted above, I prefer the chat format as then we can both see what the other has communicated and there won’t be any confusion about what was written (the interpretation of what was written will be variable).

Are there any other communication guidelines you would like to add to the conversations?

Emily *3: Yes, good idea. It is becoming a bit difficult scrolling so much, so maybe we could put the new chat window at the bottom of the post, and if you could repost the guidelines there and start us off when you are ready with a response to my questions, that would be good. Are you clear about my questions?

me @Emily*3: I will start a new chat. One other thing. I imagine that we will both be sending each other links to back up our view.

I request that we in good faith, read and/or listen to the links provided before we post a response.

me @Emily*3: And we take one issue at a time, and come to some agreement that the dialogue feels relatively complete for the issue, before introducing a new issue (if we’re still up to continue dialogue).

We can take turns choosing the issue to dialogue about.

Emily *3 @me: sounds good.

me @Emily*3: One other request: For everyone’s readability, would it be possible to use SHIFT-ENTER to introduce paragraph marks?

I find that having a line break between written thoughts, makes the text much easier to read.

That’s SHIFT-ENTER

me @Emily*3: Also, how do you find about adding the guideline of no name calling?

Emily *3 @me: sure thing

Emily *3 @me: yes I agree. No calling Trump or anyone else a dick.

Emily *4: America needs some serious help.

Colleen *4: Good. Grief. Don’t like Canada… Move to the USA.

Emily *4 @Colleen*4: Yeh.. and good luck!.

Jenny *4: H, you have lost your mind, and all my respect. I feel sorry for you.

me @Jenny*4: Which thoughts are incomprehensible to you J?

Colleen *4: I feel the same way, J. I am very sad to say I agree. I’m sorry H – my respect for you has gone completely.

Gary: Crazy how susceptible “spiritual” people are to conservative propaganda, eh?

Emily *4 @me: look how great Trump is and how much he cares for his citizens: 

https://www.commondreams.org/…/unfathomable-cruelty…

Emily *4 @me: How can you say he is a good leader when he is doing things like this, H

me @Emily*4: I don’t think ACA is a black and white issue. It doesn’t benefit who you’d think it would benefit. Here’s some of the comments from that article:

“Obamacare’s five year implementation prevented any discussion of M4A for eight years, and M4A is an issue now only because Bernie talked about it. If Trump, the Republicans, and the SCOTUS kill Abominablecare, we’ll be back to square one, to a clean slate and a fresh start, and Medicare-for-all may then get enough popular support to pass.

This will be the question for the people of the US : Do you want lipstick or health care?

P.S. – Should we call M4A Berniecare ?!”



“This could be a good thing. Biden is still clinging to “makiing ACA better” as his pro-insurance-industry campaign mantra. But the ACA is a terrible program and always has been, a giant wet kiss for the health insurance industry, whose share values rise and fall on the stock market in inverse relationship to presidential and Republican efforts in Congress to destroy or weaken it. “

“Couldn’t afford insurance before passage of the ACA and can’t afford it now. Perhaps if they put the Abominable Care out of its misery they pass M4A.”



“The Medicaid expansion was long overdue and has saved and improved thousands of lives despite not being implemented in some states. The rest of the law should be discarded. Neoliberal high deductible private insurance with unaffordable cost sharing and balance billing is a monstrosity and if Trump wants to destroy this I am all in.

We need, we must have something better especially in a pandemic. All that nonsense about Barrack Obama’s “signature” “landmark” “achievement is growing old when faced with the reality of more and more medical bankruptcies. The left needs to realize that except for the medical expansion they have been had by the Heritage Foundation and other right wing think tanks.

There is a reason Republicans have kept their distance from this unaffordable, unworkable scheme to allow insurance companies to sell worthless insurance and then force patients, many of whom are sick and dying to come up with most of the cash or have their net worth destroyed with unpayable loans.”



“In order to ‘make the ACA better’ the private medical insurance Gods needs to be happy with a drastic drop in their profits. And I do not see that happening. Those monsters have not had to do a bloody damn thing but stomp their bashing-boots hard on our heads to make us behave and deny healthcare.

I had ACA insurance the year prior to my medicare kicking in and it was great except the carrier in OR one day sent out letters saying they were done, profits taking a hit and they could not’ SURVIVE’ the onslaught of being good providers of insurance anymore. No warning, no advice. Just screw you very much.

Does anyone really believe they will act responsibly now because olJoe asks nicely?”



“I would like to speak to a human being within Bernie’s organization and let them know that Bernie withheld an important piece of information that makes me think he was a plant.

Why did Bernie and his other surrogates pretend that the GATS trade agreement doesnt exist, in order to lead us into a trap where instead of getting a single payer system, we lose Medicare and Social Security?

I challenge them to answer that. I would like to interview them for my blog, Policy Space dot xyz about this deceptive marketing of a false simulacrum within which we are still in 1992 before the WTO was created. bernie goes to great lengths to never mention GATS. Blogs are all hiding GATS. This is so millions of US jobs can be outsourced before we realize it. All the crown jewels of the nation arer being stolen and Bernie is part of the crooks, not the good guys.
There are no good guys in this government unless they tell the truth, not more lies.

They are all crooks.

He’s assisting in their hiding of their crime.”



“You seemed to have missed the point and that is by caucusing with the Democrats about 98% of the time Sanders loses all credibility for trying to make people think that he is an independent. Sanders cannot have it both ways. He is either an independent or a Democrat. He certainly cannot be both.

The Democrats also overwhelmingly passed the infamous four trillion dollar stimulus package which greatly benefited major corporations while giving very little to the working class and the poor. Sanders remained mute concerning the Democrats servility to power and that is because when the Democrats say jump Sanders responds by asking: How high?

Trying to reform the Democrats from within, which is what Sanders seems to believe, is an exercise in futility. Lance Selfa brings this out to great effect in his most insightful book called The Democrats: A Critical History.”

Emily *4: I disagree with him about Bernie

Emily *5 @me: Is this what you mean by “freedom” H?

https://north99.org/2020/05/02/nra-attacks-canada-for-banning-assault-weapons-claims-canada-is-banning-freedom/

me @Emily*5: This is what I mean. While Trudeau is pushing for online censorship, Trump is going the other way for greater freedom.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship

me @Emily*5: While Trudeau has pledged $850 million to W.H.O., Trump has pulled out of WHO.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1262577580718395393?

Emily *5 @me: People are being brainwashed by BS such as QAnon, and tons of misinformation about all kinds of things. Fake news is a huge problem. There needs to be some way of verifying things are true. So many people do not think critically, and believe anything they read on the internet. Disinformation should be removed. This is not the same as censorship.

me @Emily*5: While the Democrats keep the churches closed, Trump wants to open them, so people of faith can gather again.

https://time.com/5841837/trump-demands-essential-churches-reopen

Emily *5: Yes, and I believe Trump is an idiot for doing so.

me @Emily*5: Why do you think that?

me @Emily*5: @”Disinformation should be removed. This is not the same censorship.”

I wish we could remove the disinformation of Neil Ferguson’s Imperial College vastly incorrect models, the vastly incorrect Tedros estimated 2.2 million covid deaths, and all the other disinformation from so called health organizations.

Emily *5 @me: it is more evidence he doesn’t care about the American people. America is currently being devastaed by the COVID-19 pandemic. I’m sruggling to understand how so many people don’t see to understand that it is dangerous to gather in enclosed psaces in many communities, because of he likelihood that it will spread COVID and kill people.

Here is just one example. There are many more:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6920e2.htm

Emily *5 @me: We need the WHO. We need to be able to have global health srategies to manage situations like this pandemic, and the health impacts of climiate change.

Trump is a fool for cutting their funding. He did not take the pandemic seriously at first, and is blaming the WHO for it. He is not fit to be in power. He is psychologically disabled.

Emily *5 @me: wow, again you are veering off to the right wing/republican/conservative trip.

Emily *5 @me: I’ve asked you some questions that you are apprently not comfortable answering. I have trouble understanding why you gravitate towards these neo fascist leaders, if you’re such a compassionate and kind guy. You haven’t explained that to me.

me @Emily*5: Left or right, I don’t look at it that way. It’s the way that make sense to my worldview, my values, and my intuition.

It’s obvious, as with any two people from differing experiences, that we have different viewpoints.

I’m open to listening to you explain your viewpoints, without labelling them as left/right/conspiracy/insane/etc.

If you’re still interested to dialogue, I will continue to provide you with my reasons of my worldview. You are most welcome to continue asking.

For now, I must get to bed. Work beckons in a few hours.

Emily *5 @me: I’d love to hear your response to my question about why you feel so drawn to clearly discompassionate leaders. Is that a label? Actions speak for themselves.

Drumpf is committing human rights abuses and endangering his people for the sake of his ego and his rich friends. Let me know what you find so appealing about that, when you get a chance. I’ll wait. Goodnight.

Shelley: Oh boy, I actually support H in not wasting his time on answering your condescending questions.

Emily, you have no openness, from what I can tell, to different viewpoints and perspectives. You’ve made your judgments and labels and there doesn’t actually seem to be any real curiosity except for “why don’t you think like me”?

Honestly, I used to think like you too, but I’ve had an open mind and questioned mainstream media and I’ve come to see that most of what I believed about Trump was false. I’m not saying he’s a great guy, but I do think it’s possible that he’s not controlled by the criminal syndicate that is controlling Trudeau and is actually harming more children than you even know.

Perhaps start with “everything is a rich man’s trick” on YouTube, if you’re actually interested in what is going on behind the scenes. This is not about left or right wing, this is about a small group of elite who are taking away our human rights and freedoms and enslaving us.

If you want to shut your eyes and walk complacently into slavery, please do so. But no need to bully and name call those of us who are resisting.

Emily *5: With all due respect Shelley, you have every right to your views but I believe you are being fooled into a cult like mentality.

The things H is saying just don’t add up. I’m sorry to hear you are getting lost “down the rabbit hole.” Pless don’t believe everything you see on YouTube. People are making money off you and all your views and “viral” sharing.

Emily *5:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10163710649210360&set=gm.1146551429024811&type=1&theater

Emily *5:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10163710494795360&set=gm.1146517055694915&type=3&hc_location=ufi

Emily *5:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10163710723685360&set=gm.1146566239023330&type=3&hc_location=ufi

Colleen *5 @Shelley: Where are you getting your opinions from? What news sources do you read? There is no bullying going on here, but curiosity, and also incredulity about lines of thinking that have no factual verifiable base. All so fascinating!

Emily *5: He’s such a great guy. So caring:
https://www.facebook.com/resist0/photos/a.143220019568350/668686840354996/?type=3&theater

Emily *5: did you see the above?^^. How do you feel about the way he is treating those people?

Colleen *5: Trump’s actions are despicable.

Emily *5: Please read this. You guys are being had :/ 

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/…/covid-top-10…/

Julia: Please do not support men in power that leave children in concentration camps and tries to build walls on racist pedestals and fans hatred. My family lives in WA and New York and their lives have completely changed due to the negligence of Trump.

There are so many things wrong with him and he is the last person we need help from. What he stands for is not the truth… he is not a good person, he does not stand for the American people. Many are suffering from his actions and words, not just in the US but in the world.

me @Julia: I value your participation. I can try to address your other concerns. I’m not clear on what you’re saying about “build walls on racist pedestals and fans hatred.” Do you have some specific words and actions that Trump did so I can have a context of what you are referring to?

Dean: bad hombres…….. kung flu….. and of course “You Don’t Want to Live With Them Either”

Colleen *5: Every single day with every action he has taken, Trump has demonstrated hatred and divisive behaviours. New York Times. Washington Post. The Guardian. BBC News. The Wall Street Journal. CNN. NPR. NBC. The Atlantic. There are hundreds of thousands of examples. His Twitter account alone is one of the most hateful and divisive tools in his tool belt and it’s used daily.

Emily *5 @Dean: are you referring to Trump’s blatant racism?

me @Julia: Thanks for joining us Jen. I hear that you’re concerned about the welfare of those immigrant children trying to come into America.

As I was dialoguing with Ellesig Ekmeur about Obamacare, things are not so black and white. In this case of the cages, did you know that it was Obama’s administration (perhaps in 2015) that build those cages?

https://www.snopes.com/fact…/obama-build-cages-immigrants/

Emily *5 @me: Yes, Obama had a very conservative Republican senate, and he was pushed ito a few of these shitty programs. He managed to do some good work while in office, but his ass was at least half owned by the Republicans. Also, he actually never filled the cages. Those cages were EMPTY. Untill.. your good buddy, Trump.

Colleen *5: The more important fact is that Trump FILLED those cages with innocent children. The important fact is that those cages are STILL FILLED with innocent children. All I’m seeing here is red herrings and trying to dodge the truth about Trump’s behaviour, choices and actions.

Emily *5: Yes, it is extremely disturbig to me that these human rights abuses are NOT disturbing to people. Especially people who claim compassin as a central ethic in their lives. It just doesn’t add up.

Amy: Canadian media has been overtaken by American Republican interests unfortunately. It just goes to show the power the media has on debilitating our democracy and independence from US.

The fact that a Canadian admires Trump no matter what he has done or said, and is obsessed with supposed anti-China rhetoric (doesn’t matter if they are ethnic Chinese), is almost carbon-copy what the Republican agenda wants the world over to believe in. People talk about CCP bots, but the Republican press has been churning out a lot of Trump bots

If Canadians are so interested with China’s agenda, how come they don’t care that our media is controlled by American republican interests? I’m sure if anybody did a tally, American corporations/individuals probably own 10x if not 100x Canadian assets compared to Chinese corporations.

And I find it really sad, because I know Harreson is a great guy. And other people in the spiritual community are also radicalized to the right, when I would have expected them in the past to be more enlightened, but now they all seem like Trump bots to me.

I don’t know how to break the spell that has been wrought.

https://www.facebook.com/TheTyee/posts/10158669262214474.

me @Amy: Please have a look at the thread that Ellesig and I are dialoguing on and then you can have an inside picture of my thinking process.

If you have any question, please put it on this thread.

Emily *5: Amy thank you. H Amy brings up a good point. Much of what you say seems actually quite scripted, exactly what Trumpster groups are churning out. It has me wondering if you are listening to particular podcasts or tuned in to certain media that you may not recognize is hard right wing :/ I has a boyfriend i eventually realised whose family were listening to these podcasts and they basically went real far down this rabbit hole into a completely divergent reality, where they thought Hilary Vlinton was harvesting a substance from thr brain stems of terrified babies and marketing it and all these people were addicted to it etc etc. All about the “deep state” etc.

Emily *6: Breaking news on Trump’s escalating fascism: 

https://www.facebook.com/…/a.7413…/10157137157221813/…

Colleen *6: Very scary news.

me @Emily*6: I don’t know much about this. Looking at the vast amount of comments, pretty 99% were demonizing Trump.

Of the 2 people who weren’t, here’s their comments:
.
.. commenter 1 …
“because it’s actually to protect women in domestic violence shelters and their children. It’s to make sure they have their space from biological men.”

… commenter 2 …
“The new ruling by the Department of Housing and Urban Development, not Trump, allows single-sex shelters the choice to determine a person’s actual sex in order to keep their inhabitants safe.

“Under HUD’s proposed new rule, details of which were obtained by The Washington Post, operators of single-sex shelters may consider someone’s biological sex — instead of how they self-identify — in making placement and accommodation decisions.

They could “determine an individual’s sex based on a good faith belief that an individual seeking access … is not of the sex, as defined in the single sex facility’s policy, which the facility accommodates,” the proposed rule says.

A person denied entrance to a shelter on the basis of this policy must receive a transfer recommendation to another facility, the rule says. Shelter operators could also choose to continue determining someone’s sex on the basis of how the person self-identifies. But whichever approach is chosen must be applied uniformly and consistently, the rule says.”

… safety for women: …

“HUD Secretary Ben Carson had previously expressed concern about the impact on residents of female-only shelters when transgender women are allowed to share bathrooms and shower areas.

“I had heard from many women’s groups about the difficulty they were having with women’s shelters because sometimes men would claim to be women,” Carson wrote to staff in an email.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/…/d47a5744-ad03-11ea…

me *7 @Emily: Thank you for being willing to dialogue with me around Trump’s actions. I hope that we do not going into this to wage a war in the “I’m right and you’re wrong” battlefield.

Rather, we acknowledge that we have different views about what is happening when it comes to Trump’s actions. This dialogue might just allow us to see how the other sees it. That we may disagree with that view is perfectly acceptable. But at least we now have a clearer picture of what the other is thinking.

And maybe that’s the best outcome for the dialogue before we decide to move onto the next issue.

Or perhaps the dialogue may even shed a new light into the old situation and plant a seed of a new possibility of looking at that situation. I think that would be a wonderful outcome, but that requires some patience and openness.

Guidelines for our dialogue and communication:
We will try to:
– put aside, to some degree, our views while reading the other’s
– reflect back our understanding of what the other just tried to communicate
– be curious to find out more of what the other believes and maybe even be curious why one believes it themselves
– no judging / labelling / criticizing you as crazy, insane, deluded, etc
– no name calling
– listen first and then responding when appropriate
– using I statements when possible
– in good faith, read and listen the (whole) link that the other has put forth to back up their view
– to not respond until one has read/listened to the whole link

Okay, that’s what I have. Let me know if I’ve missed anything or if you want to add anything.

Before I start, I would like you to know some of the values that are important to me and which inform my view:
– minimal harming
– maintenance of individual freedom, liberty, and the ability to pursue happiness without harming others
– truth
– love and compassion
– [edit add] intuition

Okay, your turn.

PS: Other folks, I’m just going to concentrate on Emily’s comments. If you want to chime in and she wants to include your concerns as part of hers, than that’s fine with me. But I probably won’t respond to your comments unless Ellesig adds them to her concerns. What do you think Emily?

Emily *7 @me*7: I think this sounds good. I have spent all day online and need to get out for a walk, but what strikes me is that I share your values. I am welcoming people’s input and sharing their views here as well. There were a few people that piped up and shared my concerns as well, so I’d like to make them welcome.

me *7 @Emily*7: Okay, have a good walk. Give me a shout when you’re back and ready. 🙂

Emily *7 @me*7: are you okay to answer my questions?

me *7 @Emily*7: Yes, are we alternating introducing issues, once we’re feel complete with one?

Emily *7: Okay, my question to you earlier was “Harreson Sito I’d love to hear your response to my question about why you feel so drawn to clearly discompassionate leaders. Is that a label? Actions speak for themselves. Drumpf is committing human rights abuses and endangering his people for the sake of his ego and his rich friends. Let me know what you find so appealing about that, when you get a chance. “

me *7 @Emily*7: My decisions are based on my values of:
– minimal harming
– maintenance of individual freedom, liberty, and the ability to pursue happiness without harming others
– truth
– love and compassion
and from research and from intuition.

When I look at Trump’s actions, then I am more drawn to him rather than the Democrat alternatives.

I have given some example of which actions Trump has done that fit within my values, research, and intuition. Actions like:
– not giving American sovereignty over to the International Criminal Court
– breaking away from W.H.O. until they straighten out their act
– allowing churches to gather again
– offering support to the Democratic governors to deal with the riots but the governors don’t accept his help

If there is a specific human right abuse that you feel Trump has committed, please let me know which specific action of his you would like me to address.

Emily *7: Thank you Harreson. It is so interesting that we share these values. I’ll repeate these, and number them for clarity (not in any significant order):

Values:
1- minimal harming
2- maintenance of individual freedom, liberty, and the ability to pursue happiness without harming others
3- truth
4- love and compassion
5-and from research
6- and from intuition.

The points you have made about the things you like about Trump that are in alaignment with your stated values, again in no particular order of relevance are:

Trump moves:
1- not giving American sovereignity over to the International Criminal Court
2- breaking away from W.H.O. until they straighten out their act
3- allowing churches to gather again
4- offering support to the Democratic governors to deal with the riots but the governors don’t accept his help

I would like more information/explanation about your first Trump statement, #1. What do you mean about the international criminal court? This is a confusing statement to me.

Your Trump point number #2 about Trump breaking away and pulling funding from the WHO.. What do you mean, “straighten out their act?”

…Trump pulling the funding is in my opinion, risking compromising your stated values #1, because witholding funding could without medical advances in research labs and medicine, costing lives, and could also place other nations in a tough spot with their COVID infection rates.

…Value #5 could be being directly violated as well, as he is withdrawing funding from an organizatin that has a mandate in response to medical scientific research.

Your Trump Point #3, allowing churches to gather again, I feel is a very foolish move, because of situations where the coronavirus-19 was spread to a lot of church goers, and cost the lives of several people. See an example here: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6920e2.htm
I see this Trump point again as at cross purposes to your ststed values of #1, in that it is inflicting hard by subjecting people to risk fo covid, even if it upholds a form of “freedom,” it does not satisfy the condition of freedom without causing harm. There is har caused. Scientific and medical research shows this, and this is why the CDC has been recommending masks, physical distancing, etc. #3 is also violated because Ttrump is denying the truth of the risk, as thoroughly backed up in the research.

Your Trump point #4 I don’t understand and will have to ask you to explain this further. What do you mean by this?

me *7 @Emily*7: Thanks for the reflection and the query. From what I understand the International Criminal Court is some body related to the United Nations and tasked with bringing to justice war criminals.

If a country agrees to abide by the ICC jurisdiction, then the ICC has legal jurisdiction in that country and can execute legal actions in that country.

US has never agreed to be under or accept the jurisdiction of the ICC. There’s lot of criticism of the ICC. They’ve had billions of dollars of budget over the last 10-12 years, and they’ve only prosecuted 4 folks or so.

For example, let’s look at this 2013 report by Catherine Gegout. The International Criminal Court: limits, potential and conditions for the promotion of justice and peace, Third World Quarterly, 34:5, 800-818, DOI:10.1080/01436597.2013.800737

On page 806/9:

“The ICC is a legal body, supposedly concerned with justice, and not politics. However, the Court can have considerable political impact because it has significant independent power.

The chief prosecutor can initiate an investigation on the basis of a referral from any state which is party to the ICC, or from the UNSC acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations.

In addition, the prosecutor can initiate investigations proprio motu, on the basis of information received from individuals or organisations about crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court. The prosecutor has done this twice since its creation: in Kenyaand in Ivory Coast.

The ICC does not work consistently according to the principles of international law, and it does not always appear fair. The Court chooses its prosecutions strategically, following criteria of its own. The ICC has to decide whether it will be more effective to pursue one case, and see the person indicted, judged and imprisoned, than to investigate many cases where evidence is limited and successful prosecution uncertain.

The procedure used by the ICC can sometimes yield controversial results.The prosecutor uses the jurisdictional threshold of gravity: only serious crimes are investigated. But s/he does not follow his/her own threshold consistently. For instance, in the DRC those investigating the crimes of Thomas Lubanga found evidence of torture, pillage, rape and enslavement, but as this evidence was insufficient, a decision was made to focus only on child soldiers.”

“The Court has targeted some individuals, but neglected others equally well known for their violence and crimes. For instance, in the DRC, the ICC has not indicted Laurent Nkunda, leader of the rebel group known as the National Congress for the Defence of the People (CNDP) in Eastern Congo. In Kenya the ICC investigation is not considered fair by everyone, as the ICC prosecutor does not appear to be investigating the worst offenders, but rather those who are easily apprehended.”

There’s a bunch more examples in the report, I believe. No need to read the whole report. Just the above is sufficient.

tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/01436597.2013.800737

Emily *7 @me*7: okay I will try to look into that more deeply. what about the rest of my points?

me *7 @Emily*&: I will do my best to answer all your questions. Regarding #2 and the WHO, Trump’s letter mentions about 12 concerns he has, mainly around WHO’s handling of coronavirus and China.

He mentions how in 2003, under Director General Harlem Brundtland, the handling of SARS1 was handled much more effectively.

I think that you’re saying this is a foolish move as needed medical facilities will not be getting the funding needed to find an effective vaccine for SARS2, delayed vaccines would cost some people their lives, and also result in increased SARS2 infection.

I acknowledge that you feel a vaccine is one of the necessary solutions to SARS2 and that you value human lives.

In terms of treatment, I feel differently as there are already effective SARS treatments available:
– combination of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin
– vitamins C/D and zinc
– low radiation dosage therapy
– etc

If you want links to some studies, I can provide those at a further date.

Vaccines have side effects, sometimes quite serious. Their efficacy is questionable. Hydroxychloroquine, vitamins C/D, zinc not so much. Thus fulfilling my value of minimal harm.

https://twitter.com/…/status/1262577580718395393/photo/4

me *7 @Emily*7: Regarding WHO and research, I think that you’re saying the WHO is an effective medical research organization that needs funding for their valuable work which is saving lives.

In my research, I don’t think I could really find any proof of that. Do you have any?

me *7 @Emily*7: With #4 Trump offering Democrat governor and mayors help, this is speaking to the riots in the various cities. For example, Seattle’s CHAZ.

Trump didn’t barge in there with the National Guard on his own perogative. He asked the Washington Democrat governor and mayor, if they needed his help, all they had to do was tell him, and he would send the National Guard in. They declined his offer, I believe.

The same with the other Democratic governed cities where there were fires, looting, etc.

The Democrats had their reason to decline. Trump didn’t force the issue, I believe, and left it to their jurisdiction.

In my mind, some intervention of protective force was needed to reduce the damage caused by the rioters. I believe, that they were allowed to roam free and do what they will. Trump offered to minimize the harm with the assistance of the military.

Trump introduced a law to stop the destruction of the historical statues, again with the intention of minimizing harm.

I’m not 100% clear on my details, so feel free to correct me on any point.

https://www.routefifty.com/public-safety/2020/06/democratic-governors-trump-military-deal-protests/165847/

Emily *7 @me*7: Hi H, here is a response to the question of physical distance being an important aspect of preventing the spread of COVID-19: 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7215485/

Emily *7 @me*7: Hi H, here is an Amnesty International piece documenting the horrific police violence against BLM protesters. The did not get to just wander around, there were so many oeaceful protests that were met with violence. 

https://www.amnesty.org/…/usa-end-unlawful-police…/

Emily *7 @me: hydroxyhloroquinine actuallyincreases death rates: 

https://www.cnn.com/…/hydroxychloroquine…/index.html

me *7 @Emily*7: Regarding Dr Mehra’s hydroxychloroquine study, I believe that has been retracted and Dr Mehra has apologized.

https://thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6.pdf

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-06-04/study-authors-retract-influential-lancet-hydroxychloroquine-article

Emily *7: Here is some footage, of BLM protesters who are rightfully angry about the murder of Elijah McClain, and all the other murders of BIPOC peole at the hands of police. They are shouting “No justice, no peace,” to express their demand for the justice, that the killers of Elijah McClain be charged and sentenced for their inhumane killing. Tne policce purposefully hurt the peaceful protesters, who have a right to express anger over these brutal and unjust murders, and to demand justice:

Here is the story of what happened to beautiful Elijah:

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1925902917545201

Emily *7 @me*7: Interesting about the hydroxychloroquine. I guess it has not been long that it’s been used and thats really good if it helps to treat it.

me *7 @Emily*7: Dr Didier Raoult’s study on the use of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc, I believe, still stands sound and shows the effectiveness of the combo pack.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32205204/

Emily *7 @me*7: Regarding the police violence, the whole point of the protests is that police have been using inappropriate force, and literally murdering people of colour. That is not okay.

For Trump to want to crack down on protesters is not the right response. The right response would be to acknowledge that thee is a huge problem with police officers murdering citizens like this, and address the problem.

Respond ti the clear need to reack down on white supremacy in the police forces. Why does Trump not do it? He is a white supremacist, or at least, a very good buddy of the KKK. Here is a New Yorker magazine story covering the relatinship between the Drumpf famkily and the KKK:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-and-the-ku-klux-klan-a-history

me *7 @Emily*7: If you’re saying that police brutality needs to be stopped, I would agree with you. Corruption being prevalent in many areas of life, there will be the small number of cops that aren’t hesitant to use excessive force when it’s not needed. Those officers need to be reprimanded, retrained, or fired.

There are certainly cases of tragic deaths caused by police forces. How to ameloriate this harmful situation? I don’t have an answer to that. Do you?

Emily *7 @me*7: yes. The “Golden State Killer” committed his crimes while getting paid as a police officer. There are known white supremacists in the po,ice forces, and have been for years.

We need to have in depth psychological screening for officers, require a full four year degree of education and training instead of a mere 8 months, restrict their functions to dealing with situations of violence only, and ensure there are undercover officers on police forces to search out corruption, abuse of power, inappropriate force, sexual predation, and fascist ideologies.

https://www.democracynow.org/2020/6/30/headlines/golden_state_killer_pleads_guilty_to_13_murders_over_50_rapes

https://www.cnn.com/…/hydroxychloroquine…/index.html

me *7 @Emily:

KK: Trump accolades, critics fire back

KK OP June 25, 2020: If you haven’t taken the time to listen to a full speech by Trump, I recommend trying it. The first 15 minutes of this speaks to a lot of the stuff I’ve been sharing. It’s good to hear him say he will forever be a stand for the freedom of Americans. I wish Trudeau would say the same to us.

Carrie: I have listened to his speeches. I have listened to his fan base chant ‘lock her up’, ‘send her back.’

I have watched him say there are ‘good people on both sides,’ when referencing white supremacists. And, I don’t think anyone should be ‘grabbed by the p@ssy.’

As a non-white person, I wouldn’t be caught dead at one of his rallies for fear of assault. If Trudeau was anything at all like Trump, I would fear for the safety of North America.

If you still believe corona virus is a lie to cover up 5g, and if you truly believe Trump cares about people more than money, nothing will change your mind.

Must say, I find it shocking you would throw support behind this racist sexual predator. He is more than likely suffering dementia, he is using con artist techniques to ‘run’ a country – do you honestly believe ‘Jared Kushner can solve all the problems in the Middle East’? Because Trump said that, too! Do you believe Ivanka is empowering to women, in particular those women working in her overseas sweat-shops?? This is a family of grifters and liars!

There isn’t a conspiracy here – he isn’t misunderstood and he is a sociopath who tried cozying up to dictators to try and undermine the election process. At the very least, he is guilty of treason.

OP @Carrie: ok! Any thoughts on Biden’s pedophilia or Hillary’s adrenochrome habit?

Carrie @OP: Do you honestly believe they are drinking the blood of children? Reallllly???? Pizzagate was largely recognized as bullsh@t, and a gunman showed up! These lies are dangerous! Where is the evidence that Hilary is involved with torturing children and draining their pituitary glands so she can drink it?? Do your sources say she tortures them herself, or how does that work? Biden the pedophile does the abusing and then Hilary calls Skip The Dishes (wink wink) for her blood fix?? Ridiculous! Those conspiracies are right up there with the Queen turning in to a lizard because David Icke said so.

OP @Carrie:  I know it sounds crazy. I resisted looking into this for a long time. But I’ve seen a bunch of stuff which seem to indicate that Jeffrey Epstein’s pedophile island wasn’t just for him. Prominent politicians and movie stars are in the flight logs for the Lolita express – Epstein’s private plane. They just released a documentary about that on Netflix.

Sex trafficking and adrenochrome are big business and the latter offers offer a super high with anti-aging properties. I’ll tag you in some links I have in another post. Or scroll down to hear Ricky Gervais joke about pedophila at the golden globes.n’s pedophilia or Hillary’s adrenochrome habit?

Carrie @OP: I will look in to more information about adrenochrome. Yes, Epstein’s pedo Island was very real, as was his plane, dubbed the Lolita Express! The documentary was very interesting!!conspiracies are right up there with the Queen turning in to a lizard because David Icke said so.

OP @Carrie:  cool. Since you’re interested, I’ll tag you in the other stuff now.

me @Carrie: I think you’re saying that Trudeau is doing less harm than Trump.

Unfortunately, I think Trudeau has totally sold out the Canadian people to CCP China and is doing what he can to allow China to buy up Canadian companies and to win contracts that might otherwise have gone to Canadian companies.

Here’s one example of a long list of examples on how Trudeau is choosing China over Canadians:

https://spencerfernando.com/2019/08/24/trudeau-government-betrays-canadian-steel-companies-construction-workers-by-letting-communist-china-profit-from-massive-lng-projects/

KM: Unreported low deaths and Education

OP:

IN MORE GOOD NEWS:

The number of cases keeps rising rapidly while the number of deaths is declining slowly.

That translates into a mortality rate that is diminishing below the past rate of 0.26% (using probably-inflated CDC death numbers).

And that means we are approaching 99.9% recovery for the few people that are infected.

Valerie: Sad that our education system has promoted the US ignorance in critical thinking & all science, technology, engineering & mathematics (or even just simple arithmetic)!

I think that the Rockefeller and Gates had something to do with the creation of the modern day school system. If there’s any truth in this article:

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/07/the-origin-of-education-and-mandatory-schooling/

EE: Posting all men benefit by violent men

OP posts on their wall a quote by @OmogeDami:
“All men benefit from the actions of violent men. It keeps women in check. It allows men to perform the barest minimum and still feel good about themselves. The existence of violent men grants “good” men awards for basic decency.”

It was prefaced with: “Consider the fact that this will also translate to white people with regard to their position in society, benefitting, intentionally or not, from the violence of more malignant racists 🙁 “

@OP: I am shocked … and I wouldn’t agree. To make a general statement, all heart centred men are hindered and impaired by the violence of other men. 

A person with a history of violence perpetrated by a man may not trust a non-violent man.A non-violent, heart-centred man may be held in suspicion and mistrust due to the previous actions of violent men and the resultant hyper vigilant amygdala operating in those folks. 

Heart-centred, non-violent men have an innate instinct to help, to benefit. The beneficial actions carried out by non-violent, heart-centred men does not need the assistance/background of violence to be awarded any extra merit.The merit of good decent people (any people) speaks for itself, independent of violence perpetrated by others. 

Appreciation of beneficial actions can be seen as independent from whether a person has been on the receiving end of violence or not. A beneficial action may not be seen with appreciation by one person, whereas another person may deem that same beneficial action with a lot more appreciation. Here, it could be not so much the harm incurred, but perhaps the subsequent healing following.

Keeping women in check might be the objective of violent, controlling men, but not for heart-centred, non-violent men. We would rather support a woman to blossom into their full potential and be themselves – creative, joyful, light-hearted, connected, and of service to whatever their karma might be.

My work sometimes brings me in contact with women harmed by men in their past, whether the harm is emotional, physical, or sexual. I can feel the distrust and I am feel sad that they have had such suffering put upon them. 

A lot of men don’t want to perform the minimum. A lot of men come to a point of questioning what is meaningful in their lives. And many men come to the conclusion that being of service and helping others is a primary motivation in their lives, even if that means undergoing some inconvenience and challenge.

I hear where you’re coming from, and I also see the point this post is making.

It all depends on how you define “benefit.” I think, to get the meaning of the post, it’s important to understand what he means by “benefit.”

In my estimation, he is meaning a position of greater economic advantage, safety, and freedom in the world.

I don’t think this is healthy, so although I believe equality would over all be more beneficial to all of us in society, we’d be able to accomplish some evelopmental hurdels as a collective together I feel.

But as for the basic definition of “benefit,” I really see his point.

How do you feel about the statement as applied to white people?

@OP: I think that you’re saying that violence perpetrated upon women by men (that’s what I interpret the original post to be referring to) gives other men the benefit of having greater economic advantage, safety, and freedom in the world.

The post seems to say to me that violence keeps women in check and that we men don’t want women running around uncontrolled and having free wills of their own.

I would agree with you that there are certainly men in the world who benefit from violence perpetrated upon women. There are men who want women controlled, who benefit economically from suppressing women, who gain greater safety when their status quo is not challenged, and who also have more freedom to do what they want when women are not speaking truth to them. 

These men are whom I would associate the labels of criminals, human traffickers, rapists, psychopaths, etc to. 

How many men in the world are like that?

Does the average man benefit from violence perpetrated on women by other men? I would question that and relegate most of the benefit to the above class of “men”.

A couple nouns that I associate with the masculine are protector and steward. A “man” who perpetrates violence upon a woman does not fit my definition of a man.

I’m saying that it’s not all men. Replace all with some, with controlling, with wounded, with traumatized. Your point can still be maintained. But I strongly disagree with the use of all to blanket all men.

And regarding colour of our skin or our cultural background, I would echo the same sentiment that it doesn’t apply to all white folks.

KK: Trump – One of the Good Guys?

If you haven’t taken the time to listen to a full speech by Trump, I recommend trying it. The first 15 minutes of this speaks to a lot of the stuff I’ve been sharing. It’s good to hear him say he will forever be a stand for the freedom of Americans. I wish Trudeau would say the same to us.

Carol: I have listened to his speeches. I have listened to his fan base chant ‘lock her up’, ‘send her back.’ I have watched him say there are ‘good people on both sides,’ when referencing white supremacists. And, I don’t think anyone should be ‘grabbed by the p@ssy.’ As a non-white person, I wouldn’t be caught dead at one of his rallies for fear of assault.

If Trudeau was anything at all like Trump, I would fear for the safety of North America.

If you still believe corona virus is a lie to cover up 5g, and if you truly believe Trump cares about people more than money, nothing will change your mind.

Must say, I find it shocking you would throw support behind this racist sexual predator. He is more than likely suffering dementia, he is using con artist techniques to ‘run’ a country – do you honestly believe ‘Jared Kushner can solve all the problems in the Middle East’? Because Trump said that, too!

Do you believe Ivanka is empowering to women, in particular those women working in her overseas sweat-shops?? This is a family of grifters and liars! There isn’t a conspiracy here – he isn’t misunderstood and he is a sociopath who tried cozying up to dictators to try and undermine the election process. At the very least, he is guilty of treason.

OP @Carol: ok! Any thoughts on Biden’s pedophilia or Hillary’s adrenochrome habit?

Carol @OP: Do you honestly believe they are drinking the blood of children? Reallllly????

Pizzagate was largely recognized as bullsh@t, and a gunman showed up!

These lies are dangerous!

Where is the evidence that Hilary is involved with torturing children and draining their pituitary glands so she can drink it?? Do your sources say she tortures them herself, or how does that work? Biden the pedophile does the abusing and then Hilary calls Skip The Dishes (wink wink) for her blood fix??

Ridiculous! Those conspiracies are right up there with the Queen turning in to a lizard because David Icke said so.

OP @Carol: I know it sounds crazy. I resisted looking into this for a long time. But I’ve seen a bunch of stuff which seem to indicate that Jeffrey Epstein’s pedophile island wasn’t just for him. Prominent politicians and movie stars are in the flight logs for the Lolita express – Epstein’s private plane. They just released a documentary about that on Netflix.

Sex trafficking and adrenochrome are big business and the latter offers offer a super high with anti-aging properties. I’ll tag you in some links I have in another post. Or scroll down to hear Ricky Gervais joke about pedophila at the golden globes.

Carol @OP: I will look in to more information about adrenochrome.

Yes, Epstein’s pedo Island was very real, as was his plane, dubbed the Lolita Express! The documentary was very interesting!!

OP @Carol: Since you’re interested, I’ll tag you in the other stuff now.

me @Carol: I think you’re saying that Trudeau is doing less harm than Trump.
Unfortunately, I think Trudeau has totally sold out the Canadian people to CCP China and is doing what he can to allow China to buy up Canadian companies and to win contracts that might otherwise have gone to Canadian companies.

Here’s one example of a long list of examples on how Trudeau is choosing China over Canadians:

https://spencerfernando.com/2019/08/24/trudeau-government-betrays-canadian-steel-companies-construction-workers-by-letting-communist-china-profit-from-massive-lng-projects/

OP @me: Thanks for sharing. As Canadians, we need to be careful not to give more of our attention to US politics than to what is happening in our own country.

JP: Conspiracy Theorists?

OP: Is anyone else starting to feel like Facebook is mostly conspiracy theorists looking for someone to argue with?

me: I think that we’re using the platform to learn how to talk nicely to each other (reflective listening, curious questions, etc), especially when there’s a difference in viewpoints.

OP: Do you think that’s actually happening? That people are learning how to do that on here? I always feel like people just get defensive and even stronger on whatever point they started with. And then the trolling and the bullying… it’s hard to watch!

me @OP: I would agree with your assessment. People are falling back on their old communication styles based on various factors like unhealed trauma, childhood dynamics, etc.

However, if one has some space to hold space for another person’s perspective, then this current FB dialogue serves as an invaluable arena to learn how to hone one’s ability to take care of their own triggers and be present for another person.

Unfortunately, as you witness, not many people are in the awareness to use the dialogues as such.

So, we have be the change we want to see, and be able do the difficult work to put aside our ego and hold some space for someone with a differing opinion.iewpoints.

OP: I think that’s true. Even on Facebook, sometimes people will argue in the moment, but then go away and think about it a little bit more later. Sometimes it is useful to have thee discussions when there can be some compassion and intelligent points. But with conspiracy theorists? There’s no reasoning with someone who is insisting on refusing to listen to reason.

me @OP: Could it be said that statements that might invoke the label of “conspiracy”, would be statements that one feels shocked to believe are true, given one’s current knowledge of how the world operates?

Frequently when we receive such a shock that we cannot hold and integrate without strong judgement, then we may want to persuade the other to believe what we believe.

Could it be said that the shock and inability to hold/integrate another’s view, is the ego operating in full force?

I wonder if someone can persuade someone else to come over to their way of thinking by reason? Do smokers, alcoholics, gamblers, etc change their thinking and behaviour upon presentation of what one feels is very rationale, intelligent, and reasonable?

Eg “If you’d just stop smoking, you’d be healthier, won’t die from cancer, won’t leave your young children without a parent, would be able to save money for the apartment, etc.”

I think that these conversations are not so much intended for us to persuade another person who has a whole lifetime of different experiences/traumas/emotional coping/education-research/etc, to come to our side of what we believe is a rationale worldview.

These conversations might be catalysts for us to see how we are triggered, why we are triggered, question what is revealed in this triggering, and then perhaps, to some small degree, be able to hold space for the other’s perspective, with some reflective listening and respectful questions.

In that way, we are transformed, we grow in tolerance, openness, understanding, compassion, and connection with our society.

me @OP: A further, perhaps even more important aspect, is that we can use these FB conversations to grow spiritually, to grow wiser and more self-directed.

Gigi Young says it quite eloquently in this video (I’m applying it to FB conversations, but I believe she’s talking about the current times in general).

21:13-22:10 of the video:
“It’s up to the individual in society to develop their personality, to develop their spirit to the point that we are not so fragile as individuals that we demand the world change for us. We understand that we are strong and we allow others to be. And we become the eye of the storm. We don’t try to change everybody and everything so that we’re okay.

We become a force in the world and we develop our own gravity. And people can say whatever they like. Because you are who you are and you are doing your thing. Okay? That is where we have to get to as spiritual beings, as human beings. Is that we don’t look to the external world to define us. And we allow people to be. And that allows for a free society okay? it’s very very very important.”

KK: Trump Supports Black Music

I find it fascinating that people are so attached to thinking that Trump is evil incarnate that they get angry when you point out that he’s done something good. Why not be happy when the President of the US does something good? Is this what they call “cognitive dissonance?”

One of several ways that Trump has helped black people (as well as white, brown and yellow people) is by putting The Music Modernization Act into law, which makes it possible for songwriters to be properly compensated for their work.

Other ways he’s helped black people is by shortening prison sentences for those who have demonstrated good behaviour for non-violent crimes (see link below); by increasing funding to black universities and extending their contracts so they don’t have to reapply for funding every year; and by introducing Opportunity Zones — tax cuts for businesses who invest in distressed parts of the US.

I’m curious, what have Democratics done to improve the lives of black people besides backing the Black Lives Matter movement (run by “trained Marxists – link below) and whose donations go to the Democratic Party? Please share anything good that the Democrats have done for blacks. I’m open to hearing about good things that Democrats have done as well.

Passing the most sweeping reform to copyright law in decades

Kevin: It’s a good bill, but Trump only signed it. Three different Republican legislators each had separate bills addressing separate aspects, which were combined into the final bill.

Presidents are supposed to sign bills the house passes. They get credit/blame for initiatives they launch.

The bill’s not perfect, of course. The pre-1972 royalties are great, but artists affected have largely died and/or sold their rights, but there’s little legislation could do about that.

Both major parties are part of the problem. You want to see change with real potential, look at what Maine did.

OP: thanks for the info. It was positive anyway, that he signed it, along with some of the other positive bills I’ve shared in this thread.

Kevin: Well, signing’s the job. Anything that becomes law only does so with his signature. Essentially, it’s the role of king, something early US lawmakers carried over since they were used to royalty. There’s an old line to that effect that “the Americans replaced King George with King George Washington”.

OP @Kevin: yes. And the point is that all of these good things have been done for blacks under Trump’s administration. What did Obama do that was better?

Under Trump’s administration, the policeman who killed George Floyd was also charged with murder and actions have been taken to reform the police force. So why are people still protesting, shooting people and burning things down like angry brats? Maybe because the force behind them doesn’t care about blacks or Americans, and instead wants America to suffer without police protection at the hands of the angry mob. Divide and conquer. Install the new technocracy ruled by the 1%.

Kevin: Hardly angry brats and hardly a fair characterization of events. Peaceful protests were hit by police rioting. Even where there were provocateurs, the response was insane and indefensible. People on their porches shot at — indefensible. Journalists beaten, arrested, and shot at — indefensible. Medical teams attacked and shot at — indefensible. You may not know anyone who lost their eye, but trust me, no sane person could think it was deserved.

It was the protests that spurred the arrests of Chauvin and the others, never mind the citizen journalism of recording the events.

Speaking of divide and conquer, you’re falling for that tactic. Why bring up Obama? Much as the US political duopoly wants you to believe that choice is limited to combo D or combo R, it’s not. Obama stood against equal marriage, as did Trump. Obama put in a Republican healthcare plan (created by Mitt Romney), which the Republicans made a show of opposing. Trump is the 1%.

And while most are watching the circus, a few aren’t settling. Maine not only brought in electoral reform through citizen initiative, they overruled their government with a two-thirds citizen veto vote. The duopoly does a good job of keeping that off the radar.

OP @Kevin: You’re right. Angry brats is quite the right way to describe this. I think domestic terrorism is more accurate. Watch this video of the looting of store after store on Rodeo Drive in LA.

Kevin @OP: that’s not protesting. You see signs in their hands? The only one with a sign there is throwing herself in front of looters. I’m no fan of the looting, but the police sparked it with their rioting.

You want to see domestic terrorism, look at this.

Kevin: And this is what you get for being a citizen journalist — blinded in one eye.

People are being shot, blinded, and maimed but your chief concern is shoes? Really?

me @Kevin: Could you say a little more about your statement “Much as the US political duopoly wants you to believe that choice is limited to combo D or combo R, it’s not.”?

Kevin @me: no one is required to vote for one of those two parties.

me @Kevin: That’s true. Is it highly probable that the independent/other party that one casts their vote for (if one votes at all), won’t get elected?

Kevin @me: Maine brought in ranked-choice voting. You could list thirty candidates before one of the big two. Your vote would only count for that big two candidate if your other choices didn’t make it. That gives others a chance to come up.

Elsewhere, not so much because the two major parties game things against anyone else coming up. But there are exceptions. Think of Bernie Sanders.

me @Kevin: Ranked choice voting? First time I heard about. Thanks for letting me know. Does it work like this?

OP: I agree. It’s not protesting. But they’re getting away with it because BLM are demanding to defund the police and the good police who could protect the people are beginning to abandon them, leaving them to suffer at the hands of the angry mob. I believe that’s exactly what the 1% and the emerging technocracy want.

Kevin @me: that’s about it.

me @Kevin: Sounds like a good voting system. Maybe it will gain more traction.

Kevin @OP: no, they’re getting away with it because of police rioting. The bad police, including bad management, are the problem here. They start rioting then act shocked that looting comes up. Have you seen the statements from police who’ve stood up against police abuses? They’ve been subject to constant abuses, with multiple suicides resulting. The good police are being chased out and driven to suicide by the bad ones, not protesters.

What the 1% wants is blind trust in the status quo, what their wealth is built on. BLM and other protesters are challenging that — not every one of them well, but they’ve been doing more for the people than most police forces.

Again, shooting innocent people is wrong. Blinding innocent people is wrong. Attacking people on their own property is wrong. This shouldn’t have to be said.

And again, human lives are worth more than shoes.

Kevin @me: it works for a single role like president. There are better systems for MPs or congresspeople, like STV. In our current system, 30-40% of votes count towards electing someone. In RCV-type systems, that goes up to 51%. In STV systems, it goes up to 85-95% of votes counting.

OP @Kevin: yes, sadly there seem to are infiltrators/provacatures in the police and that’s a problem. Police have been seen setting fire to their own cars, for example. This is war, after all, so the tactics are covert.

BLM challenging the 1%? That would surprise me since they funded by the 1%? George Soros, Apple, Cisco. Amazon is pro BLM. You can see in their advertising that they are all supporting BLM. I’d be interested in hearing how you think BLM is challenging the 1%. Can you give me some examples of how they’re doing that?

Kevin @OP: the status quo, quiet consumers, is what the 1% want. This is the opposite. They don’t want people re-thinking their brands so they have to change them. They don’t want the power structures built around their hegemony to come down.

Companies have been shamed into acting and making statements. Do you remember active efforts at inclusion on Apple or Amazon’s part before?

Trump’s part of the 1% and actively angry about BLM and the protests. Others spoke up against the protests and were caught in their own words. You don’t think the 1% wants to rename E* Pies, do you?

The problem in the police isn’t just the occasional provocateur, it’s a culture of special privilege that comes with enforcing the will of the rich. Generally within the law, not that law is unbiased, but often enough outside of it too. Which isn’t everywhere, but some cities have ugly police cultures, especially in the US.

That advertising you’re seeing? That’s a sign BLM and the protests are hurting the 1%. They weren’t looking for an excuse to spend a fortune re-branding, be embarrassed about hiring practices, or the like.

OP @Kevin: thanks for your comments. You have an interesting take on this. I don’t share your viewpoint but it makes for a valuable debate.

Kevin @OP: I’m always interested in hearing varied takes, but I’ve got to say, I hate debate. Reducing things to two sides is a control mechanism, a distraction technique that gets people limiting their own options to column A or column B and fighting over it. I prefer conversation anyday.

Leave the idea of debate behind and you’ll hear everything you’re not meant to.

me @Kevin: Here’s some interesting thoughts on how to get from debate to dialogue:

“- Can listen and behave without imposing your own values and assumptions on others.
– Can engage in self-reflection. The ability to move beyond one’s own biases.
– Can communicate without being argumentative and competitive.
– Can reach shared outcomes without manipulating or wearing down others with compelling evidence.
– Can be curious about the other person. Seeks solutions that work across shared interests.”

https://capstone.unst.pdx.edu/sites/default/files/Dialogue%20and%20Debate_0.pdf


KK: BLM Marxism

KK OP: More things that make you go “Hmmmm….” I went to the Black Lives Matter website to verify this twitter post and yes, it’s true. The donation link took me to Act Blue where it says, “Powering Democratic candidates, committees, parties,organizations, and c4s around the country.”

(I’ve substituted a different link to the same information of where the money goes to)

https://thealterofdeceit.net/2020/06/10/where-does-the-money-donated-to-blm-really-ends-up-the-bait-and-switch/

Roy: The creator of BLM admits she’s a marxist.

OP @Roy: Very interesting. Listening. Grabbed a couple of quotes from it,
“Marxism has a body count that far surpasses Nazism”.
It stands for anti-property rights, anti self ownership, anti-voluntary exchange.”

So if we put all these pieces together, it sounds like the Democrats want to see America become like China. I highly doubt anyone I know wants the US or Canada to become like China. Things look really bad there right now. Protesters and the major democratic leaders there have been arrested and many will end up in prison.

me @OP: Luckily, America has a champion fighting for the American peoples’ freedom, health, liberty, and the ability to pursue happiness without harming others – President Trump!

Trump 2020!

Pray for Trump and envision him enveloped by spiritual white light of protection and guidance.

me @Roy: Thanks for the enlightening interview by the co-founder.

Here’s the BLM Manifesto:

We demand an end to the war against Black people. Since this country’s inception there have been named and unnamed wars on our communities. We demand an end to the criminalization, incarceration, and killing of our people. This includes:

1 An immediate end to the criminalization and dehumanization of Black youth across all areas of society including, but not limited to; our nation’s justice and education systems, social service agencies, and media and pop culture. This includes an end to zero-tolerance school policies and arrests of students, the removal of police from schools, and the reallocation of funds from police and punitive school discipline practices to restorative services.

2 An end to capital punishment.

3 An end to money bail, mandatory fines, fees, court surcharges and “defendant funded” court proceedings.

4 An end to the use of past criminal history to determine eligibility for housing, education, licenses, voting, loans, employment, and other services and needs.

5 An end to the war on Black immigrants including the repeal of the 1996 crime and immigration bills, an end to all deportations, immigrant detention, and Immigration and Custom Enforcement (ICE) raids, and mandated legal representation in immigration court.

6 An end to the war on Black trans, queer and gender nonconforming people including their addition to anti-discrimination civil rights protections to ensure they have full access to employment, health, housing and education.

7 An end to the mass surveillance of Black communities, and the end to the use of technologies that criminalize and target our communities (including IMSI catchers, drones, body cameras, and predictive policing software).

8 The demilitarization of law enforcement, including law enforcement in schools and on college campuses.

9 An immediate end to the privatization of police, prisons, jails, probation, parole, food, phone and all other criminal justice related services.

10 Until we achieve a world where cages are no longer used against our people we demand an immediate change in conditions and an end to all jails, detention centers, youth facilities and prisons as we know them. This includes the end of solitary confinement, the end of shackling of pregnant people, access to quality healthcare, and effective measures to address the needs of our youth, queer, gender nonconforming and trans families.

http://archive.is/dGyqs

Roy: There are no people in existence that are black, white, red or yellow. Best we all clean up our language and stop calling one another by a color that in truth does not exist!

OP @Roy: Yup. The BLM movement has brought far much too attention to racial differences and sexual differences at a time when people need to stand united to protect basic human freedoms, imho.

me @Roy: Googling Marxism and violence, a bunch of links pop up. Here’s a 2018 article from Dr. Samuel Gregg, Research Director at the Acton Institute.

https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2018/05/04/remembering-karl-marx-prophet-of-violence-and-terror/

Tom: Only those privileged enough to not have to face acute racial discrimination can ignore the real problem of racism and be like the problem is race-conscious “language” and the “calling of attention to racial differences”. People are dying because of racism, but for some folks the mention of racism is the issue. Smh.

Marxism is not anti voluntary exchange or anti property ownership. Marx did not disapprove personal possession, he disapproved private ownership of the means of production because it led to exploitation.

OP, I would recommend going to the source and reading the Communist Manifesto to understand Marixst thought. Capitalism has a far greater head count than Marxism, Nazism and all isms put together. China is not an example of communism, China is totalitarian capitalism that advertises itself as communist.

Also, I don’t see anything necessarily bad in that BLM manifesto? One may disagree with the finer points but to understand the perspective of that manifesto, one only needs to do legit study American history, the Jim Crow era and the history of policing and the criminal justice system … stuff that isn’t taught in school.

Roy: And neither is the history of political domination using race as a means of control. No one can own property without an existing paper fictional reality with titles and land grants being imposed as a structure of profit with interloping of government saying it’s the norm.

Collectivism and centralized control through capitalism are the problems. By capitalism I mean the need for a socially sanctioned government system to print fiat money and offer it as a solution. The lie is in the word cap it all. Every form of government and structured monetary control fit into this and there is not a form which is not capitalistic. They all use capital. All of them. Fascism, socialism, communism, Nazism and democratic republics are all capitalistic.

The short sighted perspective is not to look at slavery in it’s true context. A comprehensive view of slavery would begin investigating what slavery was occuring in Babylon, Sumeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Europe, Australia and America and how historically human beings and nature have been commodified and used as a resource to be exploited. America is totalitarian capitalism disguised as a democratic republic.

BLM is a psychological operation and a trojan horse repressing sovereignty in favor of a collectivist culture of Marxist/Lenninist/totalitarian control.

Tom @Roy: You’ve touched on some valid points about capitalism but you also need to go to the source text to understand what communism is all about. It is absolutely not capitalism, in fact it is the very antithesis.

Nowadays people watch youtube videos and think they have become experts on communism. No, you have to be more sincere than that in your study. Racism is a byproduct and tool of capitalism. You cannot have a serious plan to dismantle racism without a plan to dismantle capitalism. That’s where Marxist thought comes into the picture.

OP: I just have to chime in and say I don’t know why it’s trendy to discount YouTube videos these days. Up until recent censorship, it has been a platform for the people and every video can be found there. I find these statements to be a form of “Mass Media Supremacy”, a new term I’ve coined.

Roy: And neither is the history of political domination using race as a means of control. No one can own property without an existing paper fictional reality with titles and land grants being imposed as a structure of profit with interloping of government saying it’s the norm.

Collectivism and centralized control through capitalism are the problems. By capitalism I mean the need for a socially sanctioned government system to print fiat money and offer it as a solution. The lie is in the word cap it all. Every form of government and structured monetary control fit into this and there is not a form which is not capitalistic. They all use capital. All of them. Fascism, socialism, communism, Nazism and democratic republics are all capitalistic.

The short sighted perspective is not to look at slavery in it’s true context. A comprehensive view of slavery would begin investigating what slavery was occuring in Babylon, Sumeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Europe, Australia and America and how historically human beings and nature have been commodified and used as a resource to be exploited. America is totalitarian capitalism disguised as a democratic republic.

BLM is a psychological operation and a trojan horse repressing sovereignty in favor of a collectivist culture of Marxist/Lenninist/totalitarian control.

Tom: Youtube videos aren’t the problem. Basing opinions on second hand information is the problem. Some people make the same mistake when consuming information through other mediums – could be an article, could be a conversation with a friend.

Point is, go to the source, and actually know what you’re talking about.

Roy @Tom: Does communism use money? Yes. Do they have a monetary system based on capital? Yes. Do they have a system of central banking? Yes. Is their currency based in fiat? Yes.

Communism is a form of capitalism. Capitalism is the monetary system and communism is the political system!

Race is human. Racism is endemic to a global system of control which uses natural and human resources and money as a systemic form of slavery. We are born into it and we attempt to protect it via the propaganda we are grown into through state education.

It’s splitting you are participating in thinking capitalism good communism bad when communism has a use of capital. I have a plan to dismantle capitalism. If you really want to research it then read Michael Tellinger‘s book Ubuntu Contributionism which outlines in the first half of the book the history of money.

http://www.onesmalltown.org

Roy @Tom: I’ve already dismantled racism. It is based on the false language we have been taught to call people. It is derived from the obfuscation of language from Babylon which subverted the Phoenician principle that reality is derived through phonics and the naming of things speaking them into reality with our mouths.

When you call people black, white, red or yellow you are speaking a lie. There are no people in existence that are black, white, red or yellow so why are people calling one another colors of skin that they are not? Because people have been culturally gaslighted with false language designed to divide people based in false skin tones.

The same goes for ANY term which is derived from this delusion. “People of color,” “white body privilege,” “black body trauma,” black lives matter” and on and on. To utter from your mouth about people being black, white, red or yellow exposes a perception deficit disorder as you are speaking about colors of skin where none of those colors even exist. Tell me, what color does the term people of color include or exclude? You can’t answer it because its a part of racial gaslighting and points directly to the systemic racism that is inherent in the weasel words we have been trained to speak!

me @Roy @Tom: I am enjoying your dialogue and would like to make a request.

Please use Shift-Enter to make paragraph marks so it makes it easier to read.

Pretty please?

It’s a new habit, but well worth it for the reader.

OP @me: great tip!

OP @Roy: brilliant. I do feel that this attention to racial differences is causing division when what we need most now is Unity.

Roy @OP: People defend their beliefs when I suggest this by calling me a white racist priviliged patriarchal male thinking they are insulting me when I’m simply sharing my truth as I see it after studying intergenerational trauma.

It’s really pretty simple if you got some color crayons or if you’ve ever bought black or white paint!

George: BLM is not a Marxist organization. OP you are being being played by bad propaganda. talk to a BLM activist and talk to a Marxist. There is a obvious difference.

Go get some Black Friends and learn something outside the internet. . You are politically confused.and that is an extension of lazy thinking before the uprising started. Comments like these play a bad role when it comes to understanding what is going on. You are picking the wrong side here without knowing. You are probably losing the benefit of the doubt with a lot of people you know.

Powerful institutions like the police and political establishment are being spared because making sense of social movements fighting for social justice is not something your are good at. Cold war is over stop acting like an old person showing off your baggage.!

OP @George: Nice to hear from you, G. If BLM is not a Marxist organization then how do you explain the video above in which the founder admits they are trained Marxists?

And how do you explain the donations for BLM going to Act Blue which gives them to the Democratic Party? You can verify that by going to www.blacklivesmatter.com

George @OP: Go listen to speeches in demos., They are some Marxists and socialists in all social movements. Are you familiar with Socialist alternative or the Democratic socialist of America?

There is not direct organizational link. The political conversation and expression at the Vic demo had little political level. The speaker were new to politics.

This clip is off.

What is wrong with Marxism. We are all Marxist in understanding Capitalism as it is. This is bullshit cold war propaganda that he learned from establishment thinking.

Roy @George: One of the founders of BLM admit they are Marxist and you fail to acknowledge this instead redirecting the conversation to other videos. Did you watch the video?

me @George: I’m worried that Marxism equates to violence. What are your thoughts on this 2018 article?

https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2018/05/04/remembering-karl-marx-prophet-of-violence-and-terror/

Roy: It does equate to violence. One thing that is used repeatedly is a collectivist mentality throughout history to dismantle the sovereignty.

If the government is corrupt, the police are corrupt, the politics are there to divide and the Marxist are there as a diversion then the US corporation will be divided from within.

If people believe they can use terrorism as a solution to dealing with systemic racism then those protestors looting and doing harm to their own communities are the very definition of terrorism.

Adding to the rage only fans the flames of division and leads the way to a totalitarian system of control like what is currently being passed off as capitalistic order in China.

Albert: I read their list of demands, and, on the face of it, they ARE quite justified and reasonable. And the intergenerational trauma that the parents of many of the BLM movement likely have passed on to their children, who, for the most part DO NOT experience anything in terms of systemic racism their parents and grand parents did….is real, and is still in need of being healed.

The problem is that they tragically believe that the Demoncratic Party is going to look after their welfare…they sadly don’t even know much of their own history and how it has always been the Demoncratic Party that has kept them, first in physical bondage, and now, trying to keep them in mental bondage as well, with this thinking..or lack thereof.

I think it’s called “Stockholm Syndrome” where the traumatized start to have feelings of compassion and trust of their captors, mistakingly thinking that they are the closest friends they have, and their only hope.

The Demoncratic Party will Cease to exist in it’s current form as soon as the critical mass of intentionally welfare addicted minorities wake the fuck up, and take back responsibility for their lives…which IS happening..it’s called #Blexit 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gSprhWKm-c

Trudeau favors China over Canadians

The post started with a view on Trump:

Joe: Has anybody thought that, if you add Trump to the end of MAGA, you end up with MAGAT? Sure, it’s not quite the correct spelling of maggot, but neither is his strategy quite right.

Jane: Sick and tired of Canadians who don’t have a clue. Meanwhile we have a communist dictator running our show who follows the globalist agenda. Would take a Trump in a second. At least he has the balls to fight them. Can’t wait for to Trump win in a huge landslide.

Kirk @Jane: Communist dictator? Where do you live?

OP: I unfriended her.

Leo @OP: why….. that was good comedy. You could have milked that for at least a couple of days…..

OP: Dang! Wish I had of thought of that.

me: I agree with Jane. Trudeau is a puppet dictator following his CCP masters orders.

He sold off all of Canada’s gold reserves, is allowing a Chinese company to buy a Canadian gold mine up north, bought shares into the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, etc.

Trudeau definitely doesn’t have the Canadian peoples’ interests in mind.

Mike @me: Trudeau is a puppet dictator following his CCP masters orders. -Where do you come up with this crap?

me @Mike: By a few actions Trudeau has taken in favor of China rather than Canadians. For example:

100,000 Jobs LOST TO CHINA As Justin Trudeau Cancels Steel Tariffs

me @Mike:

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/08/21/1905104/0/en/CORRECTION-The-Liberal-Government-Hands-42-Billion-in-Construction-Projects-to-China-at-Expense-of-Canadians.html

me: May 28, 2018 Trudeau buys Kinder Morgan Transmountain Pipeline for $4.5 billion Canadian taxpayers money to ship more oil to Asia/China

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-trudeau-government-to-buy-kinder-morgans-trans-mountain-pipeline/

Dec 28, 2019: Trudeau gives green light to Chinese oil company CNOOC to explore east of Newfoundland and Labrador:

https://www.thetelegram.com/business/local-business/chinese-company-gets-green-light-to-explore-offshore-nl-392428/

me @Mike: May 15, 2019: Trudeau joins other world leaders to promote Internet censorship (in the guise of eliminating terrorism):

https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2019/06/global-internet-censorship-lockdown-begins-canada.html

me @Mike: Here Trudeau is following in China’s footsteps for Internet censorship:

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-liberals-call-for-censoring-the-internet-again

me @Mike: May 12, 2020 Trudeau works with China for covid vaccine

https://www.canada.ca/en/national-research-council/news/2020/05/the-national-research-council-of-canada-and-cansino-biologics-inc-announce-collaboration-to-advance-vaccine-against-covid-19.html

me @Mike: As early as 2019, Trudeau follows in China’s footstep to get local snitches of “misinformation” = censorship through the Digital Citizen Contribution Program

https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/online-disinformation/digital-citizen-contribution-program.html

me @Mike: May 1, 2020 Trudeau bypasses parliamentary process and utilizes Order in Council to de-arm Canadians with ban on 1500 guns

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-gun-control-measures-ban-1.5552131

OP: That’s pretty awesome, H. I love how posts start off as one thing and become something completely different. I guess it’s the same as conversations do, really.

That’s a lot of links. I’ve never been a deeply politically engaged person, or even that much up on super dynamic cultural courses, so I’m going to remain neutral. This doesn’t look very good, though. Do you have any links to the rebuttals? I’d have to have a lot deeper and broader understanding before I comment more than about a funny hat. I’m not that up on the secret handshakes. I like to speak more philosophically about it than getting too into the weeds.

me @OP: M was questioning how I could correlate Trudeau to a dictator puppet to his Chinese masters, so I was providing some links that might back up that statement.

I’m not sure about links to rebuttals. The above Nunatsiaq article has a bunch of comments from Canadians about how crazy the sale is.

Yes, when one does more research, then one gets a bigger picture of what is happening in the world.

I’m not sure what kind of philosophical discussion might be appropriate here: “Do you think it is in man’s nature to conquer as much dominion, and have as much power and control as possible? Or is this a learned habit?”

me @Mike: Trudeau not try to fight the grossly unjust skewed on China’s side, Harper-brokered Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (Fipa), which was done in secrecy and without a Parliamentary vote.
Trudeau continued to establish trade agreements with China.

https://canadians.org/fipa-info

Nick: Probably this World Economic Form Website article written in 2018 Harald Strasser. Sadly most Canadians have no idea Trudeau is a complete sellout. 

https://www.weforum.org/…/five-facts-you-need-to…/

Oscar @me: and you think Trump has the people’s interests 🤣🤣🤣

OP: I think much of it is our nature. We are the result of our evolution, and much of our behaviour is guided by what kept us alive and procreating. It’s not a pretty past. Basically, we killed off all the competition. Now Homosapien is conquering the rest of the environment in a seemingly very reckless fashion.

I guess where the question comes in is that, now that we have evolved enough to have a greater understanding of our effect on the environment (for example), will we do what is best for more than ourselves and our tribe?

We also have to find a way to agree on a lot more things. Even people with similar beliefs can so easily be set at odds with each other. Will we ever ALL be able to get along?

“This is a job for… HERCULES!!” Do-da-da-doo-da-doooo!!!

Oscar @OP: seems H hijacked her thread, since you unfriended her she’ll miss all these links lol

me @Oscar: In my mind, the most prominent issue today is freedom. There seems to be many forces that are constantly pushing for mandated vaccinations, health record tracking, restrictions to travel and activities if one does not have the vaccination.

Yes, I feel that Trump is fighting for the peoples’ interest to maintain freedom of choice, liberty, and the ability to pursue happiness without harming others.

What issues are important to you, that you feel Trump is not meeting up to your standards?

me @OP: I hear you saying that it is within our nature to conquer, to control, to have power. And that it’s resulted in an ugly past.

You say evolved. I wonder if we have evolved, looking at what’s happening in the riots.

So many of us are traumatized and have deep recesses of incredible pain and anger. Perhaps those old wounds drive us to seek power and control and the need to be right, rather than connection, harmony, and love?

me @Mike @Oscar: Here’s a good example of what Trump is doing to protecting the American people while Trudeau sells out the Canadian people.

Rather than put money into solving Canadian’s many problems, Trudeau pledges $850 million to the World Health Organization. Trump withdraws American funding.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/us-sits-back-as-canada-pledges-850-million-for-global-fight-against-coronavirus-152442876.html

Yeah, that and a million other reasons. Same as it ever was. From what I gather, we are in most ways, doing better now than at any point in the past ten thousand years.

Have we evolved? I think parts of our brain has, maybe. We are prone to momentary devolution, though. I think it’s called ‘mob mentality’.

me @OP: Agreed about the mob mentality. Some in brain science might say that is our amygdala, our fight/flight / freeze alarm system.